On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> you don't give any credit to what both copies say.
I do give them credit, I give BOTH copies
credit and that's why it's so silly to expect one and only one correct
answer to the question "What will I see tomorrow after I am duplicated?".
>> Expects? I have no idea what the person in Helsinki expects to happen,
>> nor do I care what he expects.
> Ah! OK. You should have told us this before.
Christ! I have told you that before and done so in nearly every post I've
written! Predictions, correct or incorrect have absolutely positively
nothing to do with our feeling of self. In a discussion on the nature of
intelligence prediction would be a important consideration, but nobody
around here seems very interested in that, they just want to talk about
consciousness, a field that hasn't produced anything interesting in a very
>> To ask which one
>> of the two
>> is the real Helsinki man
>> who has the "*THE* 1p"
>> is just silly.
> Nobody has ever disagree on this.
Good. So you must also agree the Helsinki mans vocalization "what one and
only one city will I see after I am duplicated?" is not a question, it's
just a noise the Helsinki man made with his mouth.
> the point you seem to deny is that both copies have got a bit of
They knew it would be W v M, and each copy got a precise answer. One has
> the W answer, and the other has the M answer.
But that is exactly what I predicted would happen, even you correctly
predicted it. Mr.W will see W and Mr.M will see M. What more is there to
say? What have we failed to predict that will be revealed after the
> Here, the closer continuer theory of Robert Nozick, in his Philophical
Nozick is nuts. Suppose I'm not the "closest continuer", does that mean I
have no identity even though I vividly remember being John Clark as a
child? Has some mysterious force emanated from that closer guy reach out
and found me and destroyed my consciousness?
If the closest
is killed do I suddenly inherit his consciousness?
> What do you expect will you live when doing the WM duplication. You expect
> to meet St-Peter or what?
Yes, I'm sure many people, perhaps most people, would expect to meet
St.Peter when they go into that duplicator. But I don't care what anyone
expects to happen, I care about what does happen. I'd much rather
interview the 2 people that came out of the duplicator than the one person
that went in.
> Take the iterated case:
No I don't want to take the
idiocy is still
>> person*s*, that's plural, that means there are more than one, and yet
>> the "question" demands one and only one answer.
> The question ask a mean to evaluate what you can expect from the first
If there are 2 people there is no *THE*
, and that's why it's not a question, and without a question there can be
> You are not doing the experience, or not listelming to the question,
I have answered every question I've heard. I have not answered gibberish.
> but the question is very simple,
Very simple indeed.
> what do you expect
I would expect that even you would be more interested in what will happen
to you than what you expect will happen to you.
John K Clark
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