On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > you don't give any credit to what both copies say. > I do give them credit, I give BOTH copies equal credit and that's why it's so silly to expect one and only one correct answer to the question "What will I see tomorrow after I am duplicated?". >> >> >> Expects? I have no idea what the person in Helsinki expects to happen, >> nor do I care what he expects. > > > > > Ah! OK. You should have told us this before. > Christ! I have told you that before and done so in nearly every post I've written! Predictions, correct or incorrect have absolutely positively nothing to do with our feeling of self. In a discussion on the nature of intelligence prediction would be a important consideration, but nobody around here seems very interested in that, they just want to talk about consciousness, a field that hasn't produced anything interesting in a very long time. > >> >> To ask which one >> of the two >> is the real Helsinki man >> >> and >> >> who has the "*THE* 1p" >> >> is just silly. > > > > > Nobody has ever disagree on this. > Good. So you must also agree the Helsinki mans vocalization "what one and only one city will I see after I am duplicated?" is not a question, it's just a noise the Helsinki man made with his mouth. > > the point you seem to deny is that both copies have got a bit of > information. > They knew it would be W v M, and each copy got a precise answer. One has > the W answer, and the other has the M answer. > But that is exactly what I predicted would happen, even you correctly predicted it. Mr.W will see W and Mr.M will see M. What more is there to say? What have we failed to predict that will be revealed after the duplication? > > > Here, the closer continuer theory of Robert Nozick, in his Philophical > Explanation, > Nozick is nuts. Suppose I'm not the "closest continuer", does that mean I have no identity even though I vividly remember being John Clark as a child? Has some mysterious force emanated from that closer guy reach out and found me and destroyed my consciousness? If the closest continuer is killed do I suddenly inherit his consciousness? > > > What do you expect will you live when doing the WM duplication. You expect > to meet St-Peter or what? > Yes, I'm sure many people, perhaps most people, would expect to meet St.Peter when they go into that duplicator. But I don't care what anyone expects to happen, I care about what does happen. I'd much rather interview the 2 people that came out of the duplicator than the one person that went in. > > Take the iterated case: > No I don't want to take the iterated case . I terated idiocy is still idiocy . >> >> person*s*, that's plural, that means there are more than one, and yet >> the "question" demands one and only one answer. > > > > > The question ask a mean to evaluate what you can expect from the first > person > If there are 2 people there is no *THE* first person , and that's why it's not a question, and without a question there can be no answer. > > You are not doing the experience, or not listelming to the question, > I have answered every question I've heard. I have not answered gibberish. > > > but the question is very simple, > Very simple indeed. > > > what do you expect > [...] > I would expect that even you would be more interested in what will happen to you than what you expect will happen to you. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
