On Sun, Aug 6, 2017 at 12:54 PM, Bruno Marchal <marc...@ulb.ac.be> wrote:
> > > you don't give any credit to what both copies say. > I do give them credit, I give BOTH copies equal credit and that's why it's so silly to expect one and only one correct answer to the question "What will I see tomorrow after I am duplicated?". >> >> >> Expects? I have no idea what the person in Helsinki expects to happen, >> nor do I care what he expects. > > > > > Ah! OK. You should have told us this before. > Christ! I have told you that before and done so in nearly every post I've written! Predictions, correct or incorrect have absolutely positively nothing to do with our feeling of self. In a discussion on the nature of intelligence prediction would be a important consideration, but nobody around here seems very interested in that, they just want to talk about consciousness, a field that hasn't produced anything interesting in a very long time. > >> >> To ask which one >> of the two >> is the real Helsinki man >> >> and >> >> who has the "*THE* 1p" >> >> is just silly. > > > > > Nobody has ever disagree on this. > Good. So you must also agree the Helsinki mans vocalization "what one and only one city will I see after I am duplicated?" is not a question, it's just a noise the Helsinki man made with his mouth. > > the point you seem to deny is that both copies have got a bit of > information. > They knew it would be W v M, and each copy got a precise answer. One has > the W answer, and the other has the M answer. > But that is exactly what I predicted would happen, even you correctly predicted it. Mr.W will see W and Mr.M will see M. What more is there to say? What have we failed to predict that will be revealed after the duplication? > > > Here, the closer continuer theory of Robert Nozick, in his Philophical > Explanation, > Nozick is nuts. Suppose I'm not the "closest continuer", does that mean I have no identity even though I vividly remember being John Clark as a child? Has some mysterious force emanated from that closer guy reach out and found me and destroyed my consciousness? If the closest continuer is killed do I suddenly inherit his consciousness? > > > What do you expect will you live when doing the WM duplication. You expect > to meet St-Peter or what? > Yes, I'm sure many people, perhaps most people, would expect to meet St.Peter when they go into that duplicator. But I don't care what anyone expects to happen, I care about what does happen. I'd much rather interview the 2 people that came out of the duplicator than the one person that went in. > > Take the iterated case: > No I don't want to take the iterated case . I terated idiocy is still idiocy . >> >> person*s*, that's plural, that means there are more than one, and yet >> the "question" demands one and only one answer. > > > > > The question ask a mean to evaluate what you can expect from the first > person > If there are 2 people there is no *THE* first person , and that's why it's not a question, and without a question there can be no answer. > > You are not doing the experience, or not listelming to the question, > I have answered every question I've heard. I have not answered gibberish. > > > but the question is very simple, > Very simple indeed. > > > what do you expect > [...] > I would expect that even you would be more interested in what will happen to you than what you expect will happen to you. John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To post to this group, send email to everything-list@googlegroups.com. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
