Le jeu. 5 avr. 2018 13:42, Telmo Menezes <[email protected]> a écrit :
> On 4 April 2018 at 10:21, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 03, 2018 at 08:25:59AM +0200, Telmo Menezes wrote: > >> Hi Russell, > >> > >> On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 10:30 AM, Russell Standish > >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Now, is a jellyfish conscious? > >> >> > >> >> I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant > arithmetical consciousness (of the universal machines). > >> > > >> > As I'm sure you're aware, I disagree with this. Jellyfish appear to be > >> > quite simple automatons, with a distributed neural network, not any > >> > brain as such. However, my main reason for disagreeing is that > >> > anthropic reasoning leads us to conclude that most species of animal > >> > are not conscious. Our most typical animal is a nematode (for instance > >> > your favourite - the planarians), but even most insects cannot be > >> > conscious either. > >> > >> I follow your anthropic reasoning, but am not convinced by the > >> implicit 1:1 correspondence between one minute of human consciousness > >> and one human of insect consciousness. I have no rigorous way of > >> saying this, but my intuition is the following: there is more content > >> in one minute of one than the other. I think it makes sense for the > >> probabilities to be weighted by this content, somehow. > >> > >> Imagine a simple possibility: your anthropic reasoning being weighed > >> by the number of neurons in the given creature. See what I'm getting > >> at? > >> > > > > My argument is simply that your first observer moment (ie "birth > > moment", although not literally at birth) is selected at random from > > all such possible moments. Thereafter, successor OMs are chosen > > acording to Born's rule. Ant birth OMs are vastly more numerous than > > human ones. A city of perhaps a million individuals lives under our > > house, and ants are born, live an die far more rapidly than we > > humans. > > Ok, I see. I don't buy that first OMs have some special status. In my > view it makes sense to sample each OM from all possible OMs in the > universe. I think I am a block universe kind of person, and I think > that the feeling of continuity that we have in our lives is illusory, > in a sense. It's just that my current OM is a complexification of > other OMs, and that is what memory is. I am OM-centric, not > me-centric. > > > To argue that OMs might be weighted somehow is quite close to the > > ASSA, which I've never found convincing, though some argue for it here > > on this list. Why should first observer moments be weighted by neuron > number? > > What is the ASSA? > Absolute self sampling assumption... It means your next OM is sampled from the set of all possible OM. RSSA = relative self sampling assumption, means your next OM is sampled from the set containing the nearest OM relative to your current OM. Regards, Quentin > > > > -- > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > > Principal, High Performance Coders > > Visiting Senior Research Fellow [email protected] > > Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "Everything List" group. > > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send > an email to [email protected]. > > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
