> On 31 Mar 2018, at 10:30, Russell Standish <[email protected]> wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 21, 2018 at 05:14:21PM +0100, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> Now, is a jellyfish conscious? >> >> I bet they are, but not far away from the dissociative and constant >> arithmetical consciousness (of the universal machines). > > As I'm sure you're aware, I disagree with this. Jellyfish appear to be > quite simple automatons, with a distributed neural network, not any > brain as such.
Yes, like the hydra, but the shape of the brain or the nervous system is not relevant, and maybe the nervous system is not relevant. I have no certainty, but the observation of hydra makes me doubt it is only a colony of cells, they seem to have an integrated personality. I might be wrong, but I just don’t know, and the math are easier with that assumption, to be honest. > However, my main reason for disagreeing is that > anthropic reasoning leads us to conclude that most species of animal > are not conscious. We have of course already discuss this in length. I am not sure that bayesian anthropism makes sense, as we don’t know what could be the prior. Bacteria might all have an undifferentiated consciousness, so they would all count for one person, but again counted relatively to one? Note that your argument precludes also aliens to be conscious, or to even exist. In arithmetic, all creatures are represented in infinities, and the relative probabilities are handled by the self-reference modes, so we can avoid Turing-thropic or anthropic methods of reasoning. My critics here is isomorphic to my critics of doomsday like argument. > Our most typical animal is a nematode (for instance > your favourite - the planarians), but even most insects cannot be > conscious either. I am not sure of that. As I try to explain, may be the brain is only a filter of consciousness: information hides the universal person, for obvious evolutionary reasons. May be even 0 neuron could lead to “infinite consciousness”, a bit like in set theory the unary intersection of the empty set gives the whole universes of all sets. Bruno > > > -- > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Dr Russell Standish Phone 0425 253119 (mobile) > Principal, High Performance Coders > Visiting Senior Research Fellow [email protected] > Economics, Kingston University http://www.hpcoders.com.au > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
