On Thursday, October 18, 2018 at 9:00:21 AM UTC-5, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 17 Oct 2018, at 00:38, Brent Meeker <meek...@verizon.net <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On 10/16/2018 11:58 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: > > > > On Tuesday, October 16, 2018 at 1:01:40 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: >> >> >> >> On 10/16/2018 1:14 AM, Philip Thrift wrote: >> >> But here is the thesis I think of the experience-oriented (vs. >> information-oriented) paradigm*: *Experience cannot be represented: It >> does not exist outside of its material instantiation.* >> >> >> But that's just an assertion that, not only am I giving up, but you must >> give up too. I'm defining "the hard problem" to be "the impossible >> problem". >> >> Most things don't exist outside of their material instantiation, >> including intelligence. >> >> Brent >> > > > With *representationalism*, one can run "intelligent" software on CPUs, > GPUs, etc. made of basically any material (as long as the computing > structure - "Turing-equivalence" - is the same). *Experientialism* > (anti-representationalism) says it has to be particular materials [ > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypothetical_types_of_biochemistry ]. > > > I know what it says. You've posted it many times. But I haven't seen any > reason to believe it. > > > I agree with you. > > []p (beweisbar(‘p’) is representational, > > []p & p is provably not representational, due to its implicit invocation > of the truth of p. > > Matter is usually conceive in the 3p, representational view, n and his > itself a representational. But truth is not, and it is truth which play the > important role for consciousness. > > Matter is either primary ultra-inert matter, what made the original > A-TOMOS of Democrat. Irreductivel material. Today we have broken atoms, and > with enough energy we can broke proton, etc. Even if we find new ATOMOS, it > is doubtful we could use them for something as “semantical” than > consciousness. > > But there is extreme originality of wanting this. I wait for an > explanation for how to test that idea. > > Bruno > > > > The connection between experience (phenomenal material consciousness) and truth (experiential modal logic) would be that it is possible for there to be different kinds of consciousness via alternative material substrates.
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