> On 16 Oct 2018, at 09:54, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > On Monday, October 15, 2018 at 8:36:01 PM UTC-5, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Oct 15, 2018 at 1:17 PM Philip Thrift <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > > >As I have proposed, information processing alone will not lead to > >consciousness. Experience processing > ><https://codicalist.wordpress.com/2018/10/14/experience-processing/> must be > >the basis. > > An experience is not a simple thing so whatever produces it can't be simple > either. If it's complex then it must be made of parts. If even the parts are > complex then they must be made of sub-parts. If we continue doing this then > after a finite number of iterations we'll come to a part that can't get any > simpler because it can change in only one way, from a 1 to a 0 for example. > And we have arrived at information processing. > > >So if one defines intelligence such that an entity can't be actually > >intelligent unless it is conscious, then all the AI work in the > >information-oriented paradigm today will never lead to actual intelligence. > > But computers have already lead to intelligence, unless you keep moving the > goalpost and define intelligence as whatever a computer can't do YET. > > John K Clark > > > > > Whatever one defines intelligence to be, for something (or some being, as > some might prefer) to be conscious (for those who think it is real) is a > more certain thing.
We agree on this. Consciousness is indubitable. May be it is the only thing which we cannot doubt, and the reason would be that we need consciousness to genuinely doubt. Bruno > > - pt > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected] > <mailto:[email protected]>. > Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list > <https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list>. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout > <https://groups.google.com/d/optout>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
