On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:20:57 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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> On 21 Dec 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com <javascript:>> 
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> On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:18:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>> On 20 Dec 2018, at 14:49, Philip Thrift <cloud...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> The psychical (experiential) states of matter (brain) 
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>> Why a brain? If matter can be conscious, what is the role of the 
>> (non-digital) brain?
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>> are the real constituents (psychicals) of consciousness. The 
>> brain-as-computer operates with psychicals as a Turing-machine operates 
>> with symbols. 
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>> I don’t understand. To be sure, I have no idea at all of this could work. 
>> Please try to explain like you would explain this to a kid. Up to now, I 
>> see only a magical use of word.
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>> For a logician, a theory works when you can substitute any words by any 
>> words. Maybe use the axiomatic presentation, with f_i for the functional 
>> symbols, and R_i for the relation symbols. If not, it is hard to see if 
>> there is a theory, or just idea-associations.
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>> Bruno 
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> Whether psychicals (*experiential states*) go down to, say insects, 
> that's one thing scientists are studying:
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> https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/do-insects-have-consciousness-180959484/
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> Whether they go down to cells, molecules, particles, ... ,that's another 
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> https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1117019/galileo-s-error/9781846046018.html
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> On experiential semantics (for brain-as-computer): The toy example as I've 
> given before is to think of a Turing-type computer, but instead of 
> operating with symbols, it is operating with emojis - but the emojis have 
> actual (material!) realization as experience.
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> You lost me. One of my goal is to explain “matter”, and with mechanism, we 
> cannot assume it at the start. Mechanism makes any role for some primary 
> matter being quite magical.
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> Bruno
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But the point is: Matter is not *Mechanistic*.
Matter is *Experientialistic*.

That's the whole thing!

- pt

 

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