On Sunday, December 23, 2018 at 5:20:57 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: > > > On 21 Dec 2018, at 11:06, Philip Thrift <[email protected] <javascript:>> > wrote: > > > > On Friday, December 21, 2018 at 3:18:26 AM UTC-6, Bruno Marchal wrote: >> >> >> On 20 Dec 2018, at 14:49, Philip Thrift <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> The psychical (experiential) states of matter (brain) >> >> >> Why a brain? If matter can be conscious, what is the role of the >> (non-digital) brain? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> are the real constituents (psychicals) of consciousness. The >> brain-as-computer operates with psychicals as a Turing-machine operates >> with symbols. >> >> >> I don’t understand. To be sure, I have no idea at all of this could work. >> Please try to explain like you would explain this to a kid. Up to now, I >> see only a magical use of word. >> >> For a logician, a theory works when you can substitute any words by any >> words. Maybe use the axiomatic presentation, with f_i for the functional >> symbols, and R_i for the relation symbols. If not, it is hard to see if >> there is a theory, or just idea-associations. >> >> Bruno >> >> >> >> >> > > > Whether psychicals (*experiential states*) go down to, say insects, > that's one thing scientists are studying: > > > https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/do-insects-have-consciousness-180959484/ > > Whether they go down to cells, molecules, particles, ... ,that's another > thing (the next chapter): > > > https://www.penguin.co.uk/books/111/1117019/galileo-s-error/9781846046018.html > > > > On experiential semantics (for brain-as-computer): The toy example as I've > given before is to think of a Turing-type computer, but instead of > operating with symbols, it is operating with emojis - but the emojis have > actual (material!) realization as experience. > > > > You lost me. One of my goal is to explain “matter”, and with mechanism, we > cannot assume it at the start. Mechanism makes any role for some primary > matter being quite magical. > > Bruno > > > >
But the point is: Matter is not *Mechanistic*. Matter is *Experientialistic*. That's the whole thing! - pt -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/everything-list. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
