On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 5:54:41 PM UTC-6, [email protected] wrote:
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> On Monday, December 24, 2018 at 1:16:36 PM UTC, Bruno Marchal wrote:
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>>> The SE remains always correct. It is only if you make the other
>>> “universe" disappearing that the SE is not correct.
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>> *BS. You utterly fail to understand the point of the horse race example.
>> The SE doesn't extend to other worlds. *
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>> The SE is what define the other worlds, or superposition terms, and the
>> SE describes them literally. The double linearity (tensor product and
>> evolution) makes the SE describing the prediction relatively to each
>> branch. The collapse of the wave is a non linear process (if it is seen as
>> a process) violating the SE.
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> *You insist that everything that's possible to happen, must happen.
> Nothing to support this idea but your bias. In a horse race, you are
> demanding that universes are created in which each horse wins. Do you
> really think this is how the universe functions? As for the SWE, you've
> imposed your will on where it applies, and appeal to the non linearity of
> the collapse process to justify your preference. But there ARE non linear
> processes in nature. So your claim is poorly based. AG*
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>> Many-worlds (or many-histories, …) is basically just the SWE, without
>> collapse. Everett theory is just Copenhagen minus the idea of a physical
>> collapse.
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>> *Those who claim otherwise are adding something to QM which suits their
>> fancy; that everything that's possible to happen, must happen.*
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>> Only with a special probability, and relatively to the observer.
>> Yes, that “everything” needs to be realise, or we don’t get the
>> interference.
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> *I don't see why interference depends on everything happening. The many
> universes you claim come into existence when a single outcome occurs, are
> disjoint. So it's hardly obvious why the interference observed over many
> outcomes Iin our universe, depends on these other universes. AG *
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I great book title for quantum reality ("Timeless Reality" was the title of
Victor Stenger's book) would be
"Don't Make Waves".
The wave function is one of the worst ideas to ever enter physics.
- pt
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