> On 8 Jun 2019, at 02:32, Lawrence Crowell <goldenfieldquaterni...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > The situation is hopeless. I correspond with someone who is a communist, and > have gotten into some arguments. The argument here, though the words are > different, has much the same sort of thinking. Politics in general is a sort > of brain infection that causes neuron to seize up when any cognitive > dissonance occurs, and these neuron go into an overdrive with various output > that has no bounds of actual reason or limits on what is preposterous. The > ideological meme is "uber alles" and it is upheld for a fortress of words. > Religion has this property.
Fake religion has this property. Fake religion is what you obtain when you take theology out of science to mix it with the state. That gives fake religion, but also fake politics. It makes politics into a form of “religion”. The only recent progress in the applied human science is the apparition of democracies and “universal” rule of laws. . But democracies are “living entities and can be very sick, perverted by collusion of special interests. Then political correctness install variate type of fascism back almost everywhere those days. Bruno > > LC > > On Thursday, June 6, 2019 at 7:43:35 PM UTC-5, Brent wrote: > > > On 6/6/2019 3:53 PM, John Clark wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 6, 2019 at 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List >> <everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>> wrote: >> >> >> There will be a Private Protection Agency protecting Jews and if there >> >> is another one that is trying to kill them then the employees of both >> >> agencies will have very dangerous jobs and both will expect to be very >> >> well payed . >> >> > Those are called armies. So why didn't the Jews have an army? >> >> The Jews didn't have an army to protect them because of government, a >> government that was powerful enough to enforce its decrees, such as there >> can only be one army and they were the only one that could conscript men >> into it, and the only one that could make laws, and the only one that could >> collect taxers to pay for the army. > > And why would it be any different if the Nazi PPA decided to collect taxes > from the Jews? It would be a government powerful enough to do so. As long > as they live together in the same area they will have to have a lot of the > same laws. > >> >> > What you're suggesting is every man for himself. >> >> No, I'm just suggesting if we were starting from scratch it would be better >> if the group one belong to was not forced and was based on more than just >> geographical location. I'm suggesting it would be better if people had some >> choice about which set of laws they would obey. Obviously the laws can't be >> tailor made specifically for just one individual like your "every man for >> himself" straw man, that would never work, but it's weird people worry so >> much about corporate monopolies but are oblivious to the largest monopoly of >> them all, the government. > > They worry more about corporate monopolies because (1) There are not the > checks and balances of our government. The board is elected and they appoint > a CEO. The documents of incorporation, even if they say something about > fairness and rights, are not overseen by any courts. So it's effectively an > oligarchy that elects a dictator. (2) Big corporations wield more economic > power and influence than many nation states, yet they are narrowly focused on > making money. They're not going to provide education or clean up the > environment or provide health care. Their officers only have a fiduciary > responsibilty. So one they can do with their economic power is capture > government and thus wield both economic and military and law enforcement > power. > >> And if you took all the evil every corporation has ever done and >> concentrated it into one spot it would amount to little more than rudeness >> compared to the horrors committed by government; > > You're ignoring the role that corporations have played in supporting those > governments. Mussolini said that fascism would be better called corporatism > because it was the merging of corporate and state power. > >> yes Facebook may not have treated the private information of its users with >> enough respect but at least it didn't stick them into ovens. > > But Ligget and Meyers gave people lung cancer. > >> >> I'm suggesting it would have been nice of the Jews had been given some >> choice. In 1933 if the Nazis didn't have a monopoly on making laws >> collecting taxes conscripting men and forming armies I'm sure the 6 million >> Jews would have chosen a Private Protection Agency that enforced a law that >> said you can't murder Jews. Unfortunatly the Jews couldn't do that in 1933 >> due to the government monopoly. > > Sure. But the Jewish PPA might have decided that it was really a good thing > to kill Palestinians and take their land. > >> >> > That's my main criticism of libertarianism...it assumes people are just >> > motivated by money. Money's only one form of power. German soldiers were >> > not especially well paid by the Nazis. >> >> True, they were payed little and yet Nazi soldiers fought with great >> bravery. Why? One reason is they'd be shot if they didn't. Another reason is >> that among all the other monopolies the Nazis also had a monopoly on >> education and the distribution of information and could therefore >> indoctrinate the population with crap like the importance of the Fatherland, >> and total obedience, and sacrifice, and courage, and martial glory. > > And hatred of Jews, which went back at least to Martin Luther, waaay before > Hitler. Before Germany was even a country. > > Make Deutschland Great Again. > > Brent > >> >> > Did Osama pay the 9/11 guys well? >> >> Yes, he promised they would each get payed 77 virgins after they performed >> that little task, and being religious, they fell for it. >> >> > I'm reminded of Bruno's theory that everything is computation...and so >> > everything must be explainable in terms of computation. >> >> That's not the fundamental problem with Bruno's theory, it's the idea a pure >> number can make a calculation. >> >> John K Clark >> >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to everyth...@googlegroups.com <javascript:>. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2hAe_OaynqgN0U1RtgdMXPyJYFsb6Uj_m2uPT101BhtA%40mail.gmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv2hAe_OaynqgN0U1RtgdMXPyJYFsb6Uj_m2uPT101BhtA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com > <mailto:everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com>. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3b2bfc92-3ea6-4b93-9406-d82630b640dc%40googlegroups.com > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/3b2bfc92-3ea6-4b93-9406-d82630b640dc%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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