Am Do, 10. Dez 2020, um 19:48, schrieb 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List: > It would seem to need a definition of a "first person experience moment".
I agree, and this seems particularly tricky and maybe impossible. > Personally I don't think my experiences are very big in information terms. > Notice how easily we are fooled by illusions, which tells me that a lot of > our "experience" content is fabricated. But I don't think by experience > comes in "moments". They have extent in experienced time and even overlap. > And again there is fabrication. If you look a someone talking on TV, you see > their lips and their sounds as synchronized. And even as you move further > away from the TV you continue to perceive them as synchronized...up to a > point at which you suddenly start to see the sound as delayed. Your brain > was imposing synchronization earlier. I agree with all this. I especially agree that "I don't think my experiences are very big in information terms", which is what leads me to the question. Hard as it may be to define, subjective diversity / complexity is what actually matters to us, conscious entities. What does the universal menu of qualia available to conscious entities look like, I guess this is what I am asking... Right now I'm having coffee and writing an email and it is gray outside, and this feels almost indistinguishable from countless times I had such an experience before. Telmo. > > Brent > > > On 12/10/2020 7:14 AM, Telmo Menezes wrote: >> Mindey asked a very interesting question, and I've been thinking about it >> while following the discussion. I don't have a good answer, but I might have >> a good question. I propose another take: the discussion so far has been in >> terms of quanta, but what if we reframed it in terms of qualia? >> >> Imagine the "universe" in terms of the set of all first-person experience >> moments of all of its inhabitants. Is there a limit to novelty here? Or can >> qualia also display unbounded complexity? >> >> Telmo >> >> Am Fr, 27. Nov 2020, um 18:35, schrieb Tomas Pales: >>> The idea of an all-encompassing set (a set of all sets) is inconsistent, >>> for example because the power set of a set (=the set of all subsets of a >>> set) is an even bigger set. If a set is infinite then its power set has an >>> even bigger infinite size. So there is no biggest set, just as there is no >>> biggest number and no biggest infinity. There just seems to be a >>> never-ending hierarchy of sets, from the empty set upward and maybe there >>> are also sets that have no bottom, that is they contain sets that contain >>> sets etc. without end. But everything needs to be kept consistent and I >>> have heard that according to Godel's second incompleteness theorem there >>> may be inconsistencies lurking in infinities which we may never be able to >>> detect. >>> >>> >>> On Thursday, November 26, 2020 at 6:57:47 PM UTC+1 Mindey I. wrote: >>>> Curiously, I found the Everything List, because I wanted to to create a "A >>>> Universe Where Everything Can Exist" ( https://mindey.com/world.pdf ), >>>> which the Google search of 2007 returned me to my search query "How to >>>> create a universe, where everything can exist?" >>>> >>>> So, suppose that we create a universe, where everything exists, -- would >>>> that universe be a superset of all possible universes, or, just the same >>>> set? >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Everything List" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >>> email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/00cbfe99-1fc6-478e-9ddb-6c8d177112bbn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/00cbfe99-1fc6-478e-9ddb-6c8d177112bbn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Everything List" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/57015210-0691-4544-8969-045b505ebc6e%40www.fastmail.com >> >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/57015210-0691-4544-8969-045b505ebc6e%40www.fastmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1aaccd1f-0294-fe48-885a-326c98369b0d%40verizon.net > > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/1aaccd1f-0294-fe48-885a-326c98369b0d%40verizon.net?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer>. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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