I wince when people bring consciousness into scientific discussions. It is not entirely clear how consciousness can ever be a fully scientific subject. Maybe within the soft problem limits it can be somewhat scientific. The qualia or hard problem I think is outside of science.
LC On Monday, December 14, 2020 at 7:36:08 AM UTC-6 [email protected] wrote: > On Mon, Dec 14, 2020 'Brent Meeker' via Everything List < > [email protected]> wrote: > > * >> On 12/13/2020 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:* >> >> > > * >> We cannot start from consciousness,* >> >> > I agree because the scientific method is of no use for consciousness. So > instead start with Intelligent behavior, aka The Turing Test. > > >> *> and we cannot start with matter, which are the notion that we have to >> explain from numbers,* > > > That is an unwarranted assumption on your part. You don't need numbers to > explain matter, you need matter to explain numbers. > > > *Why can't you start from consciousness. It's more immediately known >> than numbers. * > > > Why can't you start from intelligent behavior. It's more immediately known > than either. It takes intelligence to conclude "I think therefore I am". > > John K Clark > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/cb9dcbd1-5106-43a2-8549-67e43ca1272dn%40googlegroups.com.
