On Mon, Dec 14, 2020  'Brent Meeker' via Everything List <
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* >> On 12/13/2020 9:11 AM, Bruno Marchal wrote:*
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* >> We cannot start from consciousness,*
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I agree because the scientific method is of no use for consciousness. So
instead start with Intelligent behavior, aka The Turing Test.


> *> and we cannot start with matter, which are the notion that we have to
> explain from numbers,*


That is an unwarranted assumption on your part. You don't need numbers to
explain matter, you need matter to explain numbers.

> *Why can't you start from consciousness.  It's more immediately known
> than numbers. *


Why can't you start from intelligent behavior. It's more immediately known
than either. It takes intelligence to conclude "I think therefore I am".

John K Clark

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