"Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact with each other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, stretch, contract, have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend and break." As I understand it, the general framework of quantum field theory says that the only* way particles can interact with each other is via exchange forces, with the four known forces between baryons being the "strong" and "weak" nuclear forces, the electromagnetic force, and gravitational force (though the latter is not yet covered by quantum field theory, it would require a theory of quantum gravity, perhaps a more complete version of string theory). And there are some known types of particles like neutrinos where both theory and empirical evidence indicate that they do not interact with the protons, neutrons and electrons that make up our body via the strong or electromagnetic forces, the only interaction they have with us is via gravity or via the "weak" nuclear interaction (which accounts for why only a tiny fraction of neutrinos have scattering interactions with any part of the Earth as they pass through it, the vast majority pass right through millions of miles of solid rock as if it were empty space). By far the most popular theory of dark matter, which in cosmological computer simulations seems to provide a good match to empirical observations, is that dark matter is made up of "WIMPs" or weakly-interacting massive particles, which like neutrinos would only interact with normal matter via gravity and the weak force. Lisa Randall is postulating a new force that only operates between some subtype of dark matter particles, but this theory doesn't challenge the theory that interactions between dark matter and normal baryonic matter are exclusively due to gravity and the weak force.
So when you say dark and light matter "interact with each other", are you just saying that dark matter particles interact with one another in a way that's analogous to how regular atoms interact? Or are you saying that dark matter can interact with normal matter in a way that produces "reciprocal motion", "resonance structures" etc.? And if the latter, are you imagining the weak nuclear force would be sufficient for this, or are you assuming some new undiscovered force mediating the interaction, or are you questioning the whole quantum field theory framework saying that different particles can only interact via specific exchange forces? On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:21 AM Philip Benjamin <medinucl...@hotmail.com> wrote: > [*Jesse Mazer*] > > “Lisa Randall's work doesn't say anything about dark matter interacting > with baryonic (normal) matter via the strong nuclear force or the > electromagnetic force (the former is responsible for binding the nucleus of > atoms together, the latter for electromagnetic radiation and chemical > bonds), so the kind of dark matter that she postulates could have nothing > to do with biophotons or the supposed "additional mass of life" that Philip > Benjamin mentions.” > > [*Philip Benjamin*] > > You are right. But here is the missing point. A school of fish is not a > fish. Chemical bonds are not chemicals. They are configurations of > particles, octets and duets. Universe is not just free particles running > amuck!! Particles have to combine into the makeup of a universe. A > dark-universe cannot be an exception. Interaction between dark-particles is > a necessity for a dark-universe. Biophotons reflect energetics between > “bonds” not particles per se. Interactions of dark bonds and light bonds is > not the same as that between dark and light particles. > > Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact > with each other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, > stretch, contract, have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend > and break. These cause weak changes in energetics of the *light-matter > chemical bonds,* resulting in emission of weak photons known as > biophotons. The sudden burst of biophotons at the moment of death of plant > and animal cells results from the breaking of the coupling forces. OBE/NDE > phenomena depend on the extent of“bond-dissociation. > Sorli’s additional mass is worth exploring further. > > *Philip Benjamin* > > *From:* everything-list@googlegroups.com <everything-list@googlegroups.com> > *On Behalf Of *Jesse Mazer > *Sent:* Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:17 AM > *To:* everything-list@googlegroups.com > *Subject:* Re: Dark-Matter Universe? > > > > Lisa Randall's work doesn't say anything about dark matter interacting > with baryonic (normal) matter via the strong nuclear force or the > electromagnetic force (the former is responsible for binding the nucleus of > atoms together, the latter for electromagnetic radiation and chemical > bonds), so the kind of dark matter that she postulates could have nothing > to do with biophotons or the supposed "additional mass of life" that Philip > Benjamin mentions. Rather her suggestion about a new "hypothetical type of > dark matter" is about a type of dark matter particle that interacts more > strongly with other dark matter particles of the same type, different from > the standard idea of "cold dark matter" that has almost no > non-gravitational self-interaction. See the abstract of her paper at > https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.1521 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fabs%2F1303.1521&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528166713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=0bdifKTreWRFIs9%2FDh4fw9hVKUHRZ%2BLX7LGmBprXk5M%3D&reserved=0> > which talks about how this hypothetical form of dark matter could > self-interact in a way that causes it "cool efficiently and form a disk > within galaxies": > > > > "Based on observational constraints on large scale structure and halo > structure, dark matter is generally taken to be cold and essentially > collisionless. On the other hand, given the large number of particles and > forces in the visible world, a more complex dark sector could be a > reasonable or even likely possibility. This hypothesis leads to testable > consequences, perhaps portending the discovery of a rich hidden world > neighboring our own. We consider a scenario that readily satisfies current > bounds that we call Partially Interacting Dark Matter (PIDM). This scenario > contains self-interacting dark matter, but it is not the dominant > component. Even if PIDM contains only a fraction of the net dark matter > density, comparable to the baryonic fraction, the subdominant component's > interactions can lead to interesting and potentially observable > consequences. Our primary focus will be the special case of Double-Disk > Dark Matter (DDDM), in which self-interactions allow the dark matter to > lose enough energy to lead to dynamics similar to those in the baryonic > sector. We explore a simple model in which DDDM can cool efficiently and > form a disk within galaxies, and we evaluate some of the possible > observational signatures." > > > > Randall later offered the speculation that if such a disc exists, its > gravitational influence on our solar system passing through it periodically > over huge spans of time might disrupt the orbits of small bodies like > asteroids and comets enough to make mass extinctions more likely during > such transits, which could fit with prior speculations that mass > extinctions seem roughly periodic (I remember this was once used to argue > for the existence that the Sun could have a companion star, 'Nemesis', with > an extremely long eccentric orbit, though from what I remember the whole > idea that mass extinctions are periodic was dismissed by many as finding a > false pattern in noisy data). This is discussed in the review of her book > "Dark Matter and the Dinosaurs" at > https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/books/review/dark-matter-and-the-dinosaurs-by-lisa-randall.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2015%2F11%2F29%2Fbooks%2Freview%2Fdark-matter-and-the-dinosaurs-by-lisa-randall.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528166713%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=2kA0ZIyDbYQvUtMR14I52xRGB86BgnAQJOeefflEOFo%3D&reserved=0> > which says that the hypothetical self-interaction force between dark matter > has been called "dark light" (though the name is just an analogy, it would > be separate from the electromagnetic force), and it also says that she > emphasizes that all this is extremely speculative. > > > > Jesse > > > > On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 2:27:31 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote: > > [*Philip Benjamin*] > > Putative champions of dark-mater theories use the term “dark-matter > universe” without fully appreciating its implications > *http://cosmos.nautil.us/feature/134/does-dark-matter-harbor-life > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcosmos.nautil.us%2Ffeature%2F134%2Fdoes-dark-matter-harbor-life&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528176669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=yzDObOlSHfQUVglb%2FGqEHf%2For7neGevWDkXezoMdxQI%3D&reserved=0>*), > This *necessarily* requires more than application of physics to *dark-matter > per se*. Universe involves life forms. Dark-matter universe is no > exception. That also entails resonant dark-matter lives from the moment of > conception -- bio dark-matter body vis-à-vis bio light-matter body. No > chemistry, no life! > > What these theorists are focusing is the unknown astrophysical > dark-matter. It needs be noted that the known astrophysical light-matter is > largely ions of the most abundant elements of the universe-- H and He, > while the biospherical light-matter consists of the 92+ elements of the > Periodic Table. From symmetrical considerations, there may be a class of > biospherical dark-matter which these these theorists hypothesize as “small > fraction of dark matter” with the further remark that “it is definitely a > worthwhile theory to explore, which has to be bio dark-matter chemistry of > bio dark-matter atoms. Chemistry means *chemical bonds* which are > spin-governed particle configurations of *duets* and *octets*. It is > conceivable that the three flavors of neutrinos may be the counterparts of > electrons, protons and neutrons. The masses of ν 1 and ν 2 are known to be > close to one another (verisimilar to the close masses of p and n, while ν 3 > weighs much less than the other two, such that the ratios of the masses of > the neutrino flavors correspond to the ratios of the masses of e, p, n. Or. > the dark matter atoms may consist of monopoles (N & S) and axions, all of > negligible mass relative to electron mass, but with the same ratios as e, > p, n. > > *Empirical Evidences:* > > * 1 . Unidentified “Additional Mass of Life*” for a living organism > in a hermitically sealed system, which disappears at death as reported by > Amrit S. Sorli, Scientific Research Centre BISTRA, Ptuj, Slovenia, > http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fsummary&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528176669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Sl2BW1k6pz%2F%2FpYpfrN955KkhLP2fWN54lEipG%2B2Ez00%3D&reserved=0>; > doi=10.1.1.218.573; https://core.ac.uk/display/21767122 > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcore.ac.uk%2Fdisplay%2F21767122&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528176669%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Gr3MLViZyLYykoMsyoCpCq3v%2BPYyBo2OOBVUJLtSyMQ%3D&reserved=0>. > 2012, Journal of Theoretics Vol.4-2). > > * 2 . Unidentified Source of biophotons. * > > Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact > with each other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, > stretch, contract, have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend > and break. These cause weak changes in energetics of the *light-matter > chemical bonds,* and result in emission of weak photons. They indeed > exist and are known as *biophotons*. Attributing the origin of that > emission to DNA is flawed, since the standardized *rate* of emission > varies across the taxa by an order of magnitude though the DNA structures > are the same. The sudden burst of biophotons at the moment of death of > plant and animal cells results from the breaking of the coupling forces. > OBE/NDE phenomena depend on the extent of “bond-dissociation”. > > > https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528186627%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=cxOomvoaeVnQOR0ZFltDt70aVWo%2BYCHn%2BhpklnqTj1M%3D&reserved=0> > https://www.researchgate.net/post/Is_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpost%2FIs_spirit_our_energy_Is_spirit_dark_energy&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528186627%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=QJol%2F47UEgLJXePcOhyfJW3BIwQES0lNolJ2ppEZPtA%3D&reserved=0> > > http://biodarkmatter.webs.com/index.htm > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbiodarkmatter.webs.com%2Findex.htm&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528196581%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=SDGXeVAb8gm97mDYk45RElPuQcVPgNv4706QJhmGZCQ%3D&reserved=0> > > > > https://www.prlog.org/12085722-dr-philip-benjamin-explains-the-bio-chemistry-of-our-inner-selves-in-his-latest-book.html > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prlog.org%2F12085722-dr-philip-benjamin-explains-the-bio-chemistry-of-our-inner-selves-in-his-latest-book.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528196581%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=%2FG2HL4Ryd4iF2yZ6dcLGzUrGh%2F7S2yk7F5RJIHzzaCo%3D&reserved=0> > “Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit” > > *Corollary: * > > At the moment of conception both light and dark twins in resonance > are cocreated. The former is electric, entropic and unenduring. The latter > is non-electric, non-entropic and enduring. Resonance is rudimentary > recognition. That may be the basis of self-awareness. > > That means the application of universal laws of chemistry > (chemical bonds= spin governed particle configurations of duets and > octets). The resonant twins of bio light-matter and bio dark-matter bodies > are cocreated at the moment of conception. For the sake of symmetry, the > former is electric, entropic and non-enduring; the latter is non-electric, > non-entropic and enduring. Resonance is rudimentary recognition. It may be > the basis of self-awareness of conscious beings. Consciousness itself must > be an integral part of an enduring but dormant bio dark-matter body. The > dormancy need be quickened or awakened by an external agency, as in the > case of Augustine the chief architect of modern Western Civilization. > > *Philip Benjamin * > > *CC*. Harvard Center of Fundamental Laws of Nature > & High Energy Theory. > > *Notes:* > > https://nautil.us/issue/48/chaos/does-dark-matter-harbor-life > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnautil.us%2Fissue%2F48%2Fchaos%2Fdoes-dark-matter-harbor-life&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528196581%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=I8jDcxuDWAEc7LQTTZLv2slf3xTspwPIw3lvOCMMROY%3D&reserved=0> > Does Dark Matter Harbor Life? An invisible civilization could be living > right under your nose. BY LISA RANDALL > > > https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/06/delving-into-dark-matter/ > <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.harvard.edu%2Fgazette%2Fstory%2F2014%2F06%2Fdelving-into-dark-matter%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C3660bfe1a1344400388408d999d23dd9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637709950528206536%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=6wl4BKQZLKB4PLmZ981VezGKe5mbYusn%2BoA7zIb%2Fafg%3D&reserved=0> > > > “Though dark matter is otherwise believed to be non-interacting, > theoretical physicists Lisa Randall, the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of > Science, and Matthew Reece, assistant professor of physics, earlier this > year [*2014*] suggested that a hypothetical type of dark matter could > form a disk of material that runs through the center of the galaxy”…. “If > you were to look at our world and assume there was only one type of > particle, you’d be pretty wrong,” Randall said. “I think it’s definitely > a worthwhile theory to explore, because even if this is only a small > fraction of dark matter, there is six times more dark matter in the > universe than ordinary matter. We care a lot about ordinary matter, and > that’s precisely because it has interactions. So if there is a small > portion of dark matter that has those interactions, that may be what we > should pay attention to, perhaps even more so than other dark matter.”. > > *Philip Benjamin* . > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/SJ0PR14MB5264E58E564824CDEBC500AFA8869%40SJ0PR14MB5264.namprd14.prod.outlook.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/SJ0PR14MB5264E58E564824CDEBC500AFA8869%40SJ0PR14MB5264.namprd14.prod.outlook.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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