[Jesse Mazer]
“ So when you say dark and light matter "interact with each other", are you
just saying that dark matter particles interact with one another in a way
that's analogous to how regular atoms interact? Or are you saying that dark
matter can interact with normal matter in a way that produces "reciprocal
motion", "resonance structures" etc.?”
[Philip Benjamin]
No, not particles per se, but “chemical bonds”—Light & Dark- can interact.
I have nor so far come across the impossibility of dark matter interacting with
ITSELF, though nothing yet to explain how it does!! For the sake of argument,
suppose the light-matter particles (Standard Model) do not interact. Then ther
will not be a light-matter universe of chemicals and life forms. How can the
“dark-universe” of the theorists be an exception? .
Astrophysics has the tools and mathematics to prove or disprove the
existence of dark matter partilcs or dark atoms. That is not the matter of
discussion here.
Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected] <[email protected]> On
Behalf Of Jesse Mazer
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:31 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: Dark-Matter Universe?
"Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact with each
other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, stretch, contract,
have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend and break."
As I understand it, the general framework of quantum field theory says that the
only* way particles can interact with each other is via exchange forces, with
the four known forces between baryons being the "strong" and "weak" nuclear
forces, the electromagnetic force, and gravitational force (though the latter
is not yet covered by quantum field theory, it would require a theory of
quantum gravity, perhaps a more complete version of string theory). And there
are some known types of particles like neutrinos where both theory and
empirical evidence indicate that they do not interact with the protons,
neutrons and electrons that make up our body via the strong or electromagnetic
forces, the only interaction they have with us is via gravity or via the "weak"
nuclear interaction (which accounts for why only a tiny fraction of neutrinos
have scattering interactions with any part of the Earth as they pass through
it, the vast majority pass right through millions of miles of solid rock as if
it were empty space). By far the most popular theory of dark matter, which in
cosmological computer simulations seems to provide a good match to empirical
observations, is that dark matter is made up of "WIMPs" or weakly-interacting
massive particles, which like neutrinos would only interact with normal matter
via gravity and the weak force. Lisa Randall is postulating a new force that
only operates between some subtype of dark matter particles, but this theory
doesn't challenge the theory that interactions between dark matter and normal
baryonic matter are exclusively due to gravity and the weak force.
So when you say dark and light matter "interact with each other", are you just
saying that dark matter particles interact with one another in a way that's
analogous to how regular atoms interact? Or are you saying that dark matter can
interact with normal matter in a way that produces "reciprocal motion",
"resonance structures" etc.? And if the latter, are you imagining the weak
nuclear force would be sufficient for this, or are you assuming some new
undiscovered force mediating the interaction, or are you questioning the whole
quantum field theory framework saying that different particles can only
interact via specific exchange forces?
On Thu, Oct 28, 2021 at 11:21 AM Philip Benjamin
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
[Jesse Mazer]
“Lisa Randall's work doesn't say anything about dark matter interacting with
baryonic (normal) matter via the strong nuclear force or the electromagnetic
force (the former is responsible for binding the nucleus of atoms together, the
latter for electromagnetic radiation and chemical bonds), so the kind of dark
matter that she postulates could have nothing to do with biophotons or the
supposed "additional mass of life" that Philip Benjamin mentions.”
[Philip Benjamin]
You are right. But here is the missing point. A school of fish is not a fish.
Chemical bonds are not chemicals. They are configurations of particles, octets
and duets. Universe is not just free particles running amuck!! Particles have
to combine into the makeup of a universe. A dark-universe cannot be an
exception. Interaction between dark-particles is a necessity for a
dark-universe. Biophotons reflect energetics between “bonds” not particles per
se. Interactions of dark bonds and light bonds is not the same as that between
dark and light particles.
Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact with
each other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, stretch,
contract, have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend and break.
These cause weak changes in energetics of the light-matter chemical bonds,
resulting in emission of weak photons known as biophotons. The sudden burst of
biophotons at the moment of death of plant and animal cells results from the
breaking of the coupling forces. OBE/NDE phenomena depend on the extent
of“bond-dissociation.
Sorli’s additional mass is worth exploring further.
Philip Benjamin
From: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On
Behalf Of Jesse Mazer
Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2021 12:17 AM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Dark-Matter Universe?
Lisa Randall's work doesn't say anything about dark matter interacting with
baryonic (normal) matter via the strong nuclear force or the electromagnetic
force (the former is responsible for binding the nucleus of atoms together, the
latter for electromagnetic radiation and chemical bonds), so the kind of dark
matter that she postulates could have nothing to do with biophotons or the
supposed "additional mass of life" that Philip Benjamin mentions. Rather her
suggestion about a new "hypothetical type of dark matter" is about a type of
dark matter particle that interacts more strongly with other dark matter
particles of the same type, different from the standard idea of "cold dark
matter" that has almost no non-gravitational self-interaction. See the abstract
of her paper at
https://arxiv.org/abs/1303.1521<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Farxiv.org%2Fabs%2F1303.1521&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784371745%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=Cg54FUoaurqCwTVb4FgYQwlDNeMemS2R5dNVvVxjaA0%3D&reserved=0>
which talks about how this hypothetical form of dark matter could
self-interact in a way that causes it "cool efficiently and form a disk within
galaxies":
"Based on observational constraints on large scale structure and halo
structure, dark matter is generally taken to be cold and essentially
collisionless. On the other hand, given the large number of particles and
forces in the visible world, a more complex dark sector could be a reasonable
or even likely possibility. This hypothesis leads to testable consequences,
perhaps portending the discovery of a rich hidden world neighboring our own. We
consider a scenario that readily satisfies current bounds that we call
Partially Interacting Dark Matter (PIDM). This scenario contains
self-interacting dark matter, but it is not the dominant component. Even if
PIDM contains only a fraction of the net dark matter density, comparable to the
baryonic fraction, the subdominant component's interactions can lead to
interesting and potentially observable consequences. Our primary focus will be
the special case of Double-Disk Dark Matter (DDDM), in which self-interactions
allow the dark matter to lose enough energy to lead to dynamics similar to
those in the baryonic sector. We explore a simple model in which DDDM can cool
efficiently and form a disk within galaxies, and we evaluate some of the
possible observational signatures."
Randall later offered the speculation that if such a disc exists, its
gravitational influence on our solar system passing through it periodically
over huge spans of time might disrupt the orbits of small bodies like asteroids
and comets enough to make mass extinctions more likely during such transits,
which could fit with prior speculations that mass extinctions seem roughly
periodic (I remember this was once used to argue for the existence that the Sun
could have a companion star, 'Nemesis', with an extremely long eccentric orbit,
though from what I remember the whole idea that mass extinctions are periodic
was dismissed by many as finding a false pattern in noisy data). This is
discussed in the review of her book "Dark Matter and the Dinosaurs" at
https://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/29/books/review/dark-matter-and-the-dinosaurs-by-lisa-randall.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nytimes.com%2F2015%2F11%2F29%2Fbooks%2Freview%2Fdark-matter-and-the-dinosaurs-by-lisa-randall.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784381697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=DMGPiAlpkC6oY8jWmx%2FgdbDKQDLFCQMzkGiwACR3Roo%3D&reserved=0>
which says that the hypothetical self-interaction force between dark matter
has been called "dark light" (though the name is just an analogy, it would be
separate from the electromagnetic force), and it also says that she emphasizes
that all this is extremely speculative.
Jesse
On Saturday, October 23, 2021 at 2:27:31 PM UTC-5 medinuclear wrote:
[Philip Benjamin]
Putative champions of dark-mater theories use the term “dark-matter
universe” without fully appreciating its implications
http://cosmos.nautil.us/feature/134/does-dark-matter-harbor-life<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fcosmos.nautil.us%2Ffeature%2F134%2Fdoes-dark-matter-harbor-life&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784381697%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=PMQ%2F7GTan9DQvlxit08B%2Bq0BU38Zu%2BGQHlB2gUG%2FC%2Bo%3D&reserved=0>),
This necessarily requires more than application of physics to dark-matter per
se. Universe involves life forms. Dark-matter universe is no exception. That
also entails resonant dark-matter lives from the moment of conception -- bio
dark-matter body vis-à-vis bio light-matter body. No chemistry, no life!
What these theorists are focusing is the unknown astrophysical
dark-matter. It needs be noted that the known astrophysical light-matter is
largely ions of the most abundant elements of the universe-- H and He, while
the biospherical light-matter consists of the 92+ elements of the Periodic
Table. From symmetrical considerations, there may be a class of biospherical
dark-matter which these these theorists hypothesize as “small fraction of dark
matter” with the further remark that “it is definitely a worthwhile theory to
explore, which has to be bio dark-matter chemistry of bio dark-matter atoms.
Chemistry means chemical bonds which are spin-governed particle configurations
of duets and octets. It is conceivable that the three flavors of neutrinos may
be the counterparts of electrons, protons and neutrons. The masses of ν 1 and ν
2 are known to be close to one another (verisimilar to the close masses of p
and n, while ν 3 weighs much less than the other two, such that the ratios of
the masses of the neutrino flavors correspond to the ratios of the masses of e,
p, n. Or. the dark matter atoms may consist of monopoles (N & S) and axions,
all of negligible mass relative to electron mass, but with the same ratios as
e, p, n.
Empirical Evidences:
1 . Unidentified “Additional Mass of Life” for a living organism in a
hermitically sealed system, which disappears at death as reported by Amrit S.
Sorli, Scientific Research Centre BISTRA, Ptuj, Slovenia,
http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/summary<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fciteseerx.ist.psu.edu%2Fviewdoc%2Fsummary&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784391655%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=zHkgYKQx283XMZ5VHaQGTkeOUCMiydK49ZCSgs0CS3Y%3D&reserved=0>;
doi=10.1.1.218.573;
https://core.ac.uk/display/21767122<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcore.ac.uk%2Fdisplay%2F21767122&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784391655%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=367rxGbTdt3eKyVUoJpdijNn%2FYZLyOgwzVAGNNlocqg%3D&reserved=0>.
2012, Journal of Theoretics Vol.4-2).
2 . Unidentified Source of biophotons.
Dark and light chemical bonds have similar properties, interact with each
other, rotate, vibrate, oscillate, have reciprocal motion, stretch, contract,
have resonance structures, associate, dissociate, bend and break. These cause
weak changes in energetics of the light-matter chemical bonds, and result in
emission of weak photons. They indeed exist and are known as biophotons.
Attributing the origin of that emission to DNA is flawed, since the
standardized rate of emission varies across the taxa by an order of magnitude
though the DNA structures are the same. The sudden burst of biophotons at the
moment of death of plant and animal cells results from the breaking of the
coupling forces. OBE/NDE phenomena depend on the extent of “bond-dissociation”.
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.researchgate.net%2Fpublication%2F282154962_Bio_dark-Matter_Chemistry_Implications&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784401613%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=3gLiSVMSKPqRSDaKw1O4IXbqSQlPXYOxFFk4GXa3FLU%3D&reserved=0>
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https://www.prlog.org/12085722-dr-philip-benjamin-explains-the-bio-chemistry-of-our-inner-selves-in-his-latest-book.html<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prlog.org%2F12085722-dr-philip-benjamin-explains-the-bio-chemistry-of-our-inner-selves-in-his-latest-book.html&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784411571%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=15qd1qJuwhf1iRJzxxnYvkPZchGj12M97THP42AjUbw%3D&reserved=0>
“Spiritual Body or Physical Spirit”
Corollary:
At the moment of conception both light and dark twins in resonance are
cocreated. The former is electric, entropic and unenduring. The latter is
non-electric, non-entropic and enduring. Resonance is rudimentary recognition.
That may be the basis of self-awareness.
That means the application of universal laws of chemistry (chemical
bonds= spin governed particle configurations of duets and octets). The resonant
twins of bio light-matter and bio dark-matter bodies are cocreated at the
moment of conception. For the sake of symmetry, the former is electric,
entropic and non-enduring; the latter is non-electric, non-entropic and
enduring. Resonance is rudimentary recognition. It may be the basis of
self-awareness of conscious beings. Consciousness itself must be an integral
part of an enduring but dormant bio dark-matter body. The dormancy need be
quickened or awakened by an external agency, as in the case of Augustine the
chief architect of modern Western Civilization.
Philip Benjamin
CC. Harvard Center of Fundamental Laws of Nature & High
Energy Theory.
Notes:
https://nautil.us/issue/48/chaos/does-dark-matter-harbor-life<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnautil.us%2Fissue%2F48%2Fchaos%2Fdoes-dark-matter-harbor-life&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784421526%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=4s8chew1MMZR0CcFDELhVMa9R1h%2FN7QSsGW3y5%2BRnzE%3D&reserved=0>
Does Dark Matter Harbor Life? An invisible civilization could be living right
under your nose. BY LISA RANDALL
https://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2014/06/delving-into-dark-matter/<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.harvard.edu%2Fgazette%2Fstory%2F2014%2F06%2Fdelving-into-dark-matter%2F&data=04%7C01%7C%7C761830897e0d43f14d1808d99a38bea9%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637710390784421526%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000&sdata=fIyzscAf759Cc8pYhFM%2BVX2nb8VjI9DUCvFbnyJuu7Q%3D&reserved=0>
“Though dark matter is otherwise believed to be non-interacting, theoretical
physicists Lisa Randall, the Frank B. Baird Jr. Professor of Science, and
Matthew Reece, assistant professor of physics, earlier this year [2014]
suggested that a hypothetical type of dark matter could form a disk of material
that runs through the center of the galaxy”…. “If you were to look at our world
and assume there was only one type of particle, you’d be pretty wrong,” Randall
said. “I think it’s definitely a worthwhile theory to explore, because even if
this is only a small fraction of dark matter, there is six times more dark
matter in the universe than ordinary matter. We care a lot about ordinary
matter, and that’s precisely because it has interactions. So if there is a
small portion of dark matter that has those interactions, that may be what we
should pay attention to, perhaps even more so than other dark matter.”.
Philip Benjamin .
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