Faṭara (فَطَرَ) وَقَالُوا أَإِذَا كُنَّا عِظَامًا وَرُفَاتًا أَإِنَّا لَمَبْعُوثُونَ خَلْقًا جَدِيدًا قُلْ كُونُوا حِجَارَةً أَوْ حَدِيدًا أَوْ خَلْقًا مِّمَّا يَكْبُرُ فِي صُدُورِكُمْ فَسَيَقُولُونَ مَن يُعِيدُنَا قُلِ الَّذِي فَطَرَكُمْ أَوَّلَ مَرَّةٍ فَسَيُنْغِضُونَ إِلَيْكَ رُءُوسَهُمْ وَيَقُولُونَ مَتَىٰ هُوَ قُلْ عَسَىٰ أَن يَكُونَ قَرِيبًا يَوْمَ يَدْعُوكُمْ فَتَسْتَجِيبُونَ بِحَمْدِهِ وَتَظُنُّونَ إِن لَّبِثْتُمْ إِلَّا قَلِيلًا
And they say, "Is it when we are bones and crumbled particles, will we surely (be) resurrected (as) a creation new." Say, "Be stones or iron. Or a creation of what (is) great in your breasts." Then they will say, "Who will restore us?" Say, "He Who فَطَرَ you (the) first time." Then they will shake at you their heads and they say, "When (will) it (be)?" Say, "Perhaps that (it) will be soon." (On) the Day He will call you and you will respond with His Praise, and you will think, not you had remained except a little (while). [Al-Quran 17:49-52] Quoted in https://signsandscience.blogspot.com/2018/04/allah-fatir-of-skies-and-earth.html > On 16-Mar-2023, at 12:44 AM, spudboy100 via Everything List > <everything-list@googlegroups.com> wrote: > > > JC is theologically correct. > > Why? Because any resurrection will be quantum. > > The information about all things remains in the universe. How do I surmise > this? > > > Physicist, Guilio Prisco & Science Writer, George Musser saw this. Musser's > 2019 article is called Gravit's Residue. > Musser- > Back in the 1960s, Hermann Bondi, A. W. Kenneth Metzner, M. G. J. van der > Burg and Rainer Sachs made the truly remarkable discovery that space–time far > away from any matter has an infinite collection of symmetries known as > supertranslations…” > > A supertranslation, Strominger says (as reported by Musser), adds soft > particles to spacetime. > > “This realisation, in turn, provides a clearer picture of how a seemingly > empty spacetime that is far from any gravitating bodies can retain a residue > of gravity’s effects. Plop a soft particle into a vacuum and, though it adds > no energy, it does contribute its angular momentum and other properties, > thereby bumping the vacuum to a new version of itself. Strominger realised > that if the vacuum can assume multiple forms, it will retain an almost > homeopathic imprint of what passes through it.” > > A project like no other, I agree! But our Machine/Human descendants will have > lots of time to gather up the data. > > Bolonkin, the inventor, also holds with the quantum rez. > > https://www.nextbigfuture.com/2019/07/bolonkin-explores-ultimate-uploading-and-technology.html > > > Me: So if you're a Christian and you have met favor in The Lords' Eyes, you > come back electronical. > If Samy pleases Allah, bang! Up to Janah he goes! > > Is this the only way this could happen? It's the most currently, scientific, > but this cannot be the last word in astronomy, physics, and computer science. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> > To: everything-list@googlegroups.com > Cc: te...@telmomenezes.net <te...@telmomenezes.net> > Sent: Wed, Mar 15, 2023 1:46 pm > Subject: Re: The connectome and uploading > > On Wed, Mar 15, 2023 at 11:01 AM John Clark <johnkcl...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > It might affect you. > > I don't think so, but because it involves consciousness I'll never be able to > prove it, i'll never be able to prove anything about consciousness. But I'm > confident that if something acts just like me then it will be me. > > > Do you plan to freeze your brain? > > Yes, I've already paid the $80,000 bill to do so. > > > Do you have a clause to only resuscitate to biological substrates? > > No, and it would not make any difference even if I did because it would not > be followed. I'm not at all sure cryonics will work at all because I'm not > sure my brain really will remain at liquid nitrogen temperatures until the > singularity, and even if it is I'm not at all sure anybody will think I'm > worth reviving, but I think my chances are infinitely better than if my brain > is burned up in a furnace or eaten by worms. If I am lucky enough to be > brought back I'm certain it will be as an upload, nobody will want somebody > as stupid as me (relative to the average citizen living at that time) wasting > resources in the physical world. > > John K Clark See what's on my new list at Extropolis > 9cv > > yft > > pii > > > > > > > > > > > > You can input nothing but a photograph into a modern "Language Machine" (by > "modern" I mean something that has been developed in the last couple of > months) and ask it what is in the photograph and it will be able to tell you, > or ask it what will likely happen next to the object in the photo and it will > give you a good answer. It can read and understand graphs and charts and if > you show it a drawing from a high school geometry textbook full of > intersecting lines circles squares and triangles and ask it to find the area > of the second largest triangle in the upper left quadrant it will be able to > do so. And if you ask what's humorous about the photograph it will be able to > explain the joke to you. And it works the other way too, if you ask it to > paint a picture of something, even something that doesn't exist, it will be > able to provide an original painting of it that's far better than anything I > could dream of painting. How on earth can something that is just a "Language > Machine" do amy of that? > > > To the claim that via magic, a consciousness arises in silicon or gallium > > arsenide seems a tall order. > > It's no more magical than the claim that consciousness arises from 3 pounds > of gray goo made of carbon hydrogen and oxygen. Are you claiming that carbon > hydrogen and oxygen are sacred but silicon gallium and arsenic are not? And > besides, to hell with consciousness! If computers are not conscious then > that's their problem not mine; it won't affect me one way or the other if > computers are conscious or not, and I could say the same thing about your > alleged consciousness. I'm far FAR more interested in if computers are > intelligent or not because that most certainly does affect me. > > > > The question offered up 6 weeks ago was how does the similarity to animal > > brains arise from a Server Farm? > > Because both animal brains and server farms process information intelligently. > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/CAJPayv0kVLqjWXqAOsLjAkXjhATQ%2BBdJMtR-bo%2BRe1apSpnJ1g%40mail.gmail.com > . > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Everything List" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/686650192.367509.1678909484158%40mail.yahoo.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. 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