--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <lurkernomore20002000@...> 
wrote:
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> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@>
> wrote:
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> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1"
> lurkernomore20002000@ wrote:
> > >
> > > <raunchydog
> > > quoting Judy:
> > >
> > > > "I don't see how anybody can ever hope to get anywhere near the
> larger Truth if they have no concern for the smaller truths of everyday
> life, including on this forum. If we can't be honest with each other,
> how can we ever be honest with ourselves?" ~J. Stein
> > >
> > > It sounds so good doesn't it. Who could argue with that in theory.
> But put into practice by Judy, it just doesn't play out that way does
> it.
> > >
> > > But she will continue, with her fifty posts a week, fighting every
> battle large and small. Okay, medium and small. Alright, alright. mostly
> all small. And winning each one. Okay, vanquishing each opponent.
> Alright, alright, annihilating any opposition with her superior logic
> and ability to site posts five years back.
> > >
> > > But that's our Judy.
> > >
> >
> > Sounds like you've been on the losing end of an argument with Judy a
> time or two, Steve.
> 
> Raunchy, you're kidding right.  Everyone has been on the losing end of
> the arugument with Judy without exception likely beginning with her
> first post.  Please don't state something some obvious.  I hope your
> subsequent points are a little more substantive.
> 
> Exactly how did she so handily annihilate you with her superior logic?
> 
> Okay, I goofed.  In many cases the correct term would be "twisted" as it
> pertains to logic. Er, her logic.
> 
> Here's the thing, Steve,(Curtis can chime in here), it's not possible to
> be logical about anything unless you have command of the facts.
> 
> Facts are funny things.  That can be used in a context where they can
> indicate different things.  The unemployment rate is 8.1%.  Romney: 
> This is an unacceptable and a sign of continued failed economic policy. 
> Obama:  The unemployment rate is on a steady decline.  It shows we are
> on the right track to economic recovery.
> 
> You may have noticed, I certainly have, that the only time Judy nails
> you is when you don't have command of the facts and you end up making
> false statements.
> 
> Except that so much of what we discuss here are opinions.  Most of the
> time what we discuss here are opinions.  I think the objection is that
> Judy often states her opinions as fact.  And then there is what I have
> called her "ace in the hole" where she can know what you actually mean
> to say, or how you actually feel, even if you state the contrary.
> 
> If someone made a false or misleading statement about you, would you
> want to let it stand or would you want people to know the truth? Of
> course you would you want the truth. Dollars to donuts, Judy would be
> the first to defend your honor and you would thank her for it. In
> veritate victoria: "In truth, triumph."
> 
> 
> Of course I would want her to stand up for me in that situation.  And in
> many cases I have seen her do that for me and others.  But in many other
> instances I have seen her display tremendous partisonship in disputes
> where, at least in my opinon, the truth is far away from the position
> she is taking.  Again, just my opinion.
>

As they say, "You're entitled to your opinion, but not your own facts." 
Furthermore, it's just plain sloppy to confuse the two. If you're going to 
claim that the truth is far away from the position Judy is taking, in other 
words, implying that she not telling the truth, then you better back that up 
with facts and not your OPINION. 

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