--- In [email protected], "Ingegerd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2006, at 8:40 PM, Vaj wrote: > > > > > > > > On Jul 21, 2006, at 7:29 PM, authfriend wrote: > > > > > >> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> On Jul 21, 2006, at 3:30 PM, Paul Mason wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > > >> wrote: > > >>>>>> I've never heard anything other than that. I never > > >>>>> heard that Guru Dev himself gave MMY the technique. > > >>>> > > >>>> On 8th July 1971 in Amherst, U.S.A., Maharishi Mahesh Yogi > made > > >> the > > >>>> following statement which contradicts the assumption that he > never > > >>>> claimed the TM technique came from Guru Dev Shankaracharya > Swami > > >>>> Brahmanand Saraswati. > > >>>> > > >>>> 'But the great impact of Guru Dev, in his lifetime, in > bringing > > >> out so > > >>>> clearly and in such simple words, this technique of TM. And > his, > > >> his > > >>>> blessing for, for this movement which came out much after he > left > > >> his > > >>>> body. Because there was no, no occasion during his lifetime > for, > > >> for > > >>>> any of his intimate blessed disciples to go out of his > presence > > >> and > > >>>> that's why this any such movement to bless the world couldn't > have > > >>>> started during his time'. > > >>> > > >>> As has been repeated here before many times > > >> > > >> (Which must make it true...) > > >> > > >> , and also verified by > > >>> Dana Sawyer in his research with SBS's sect the Dandis > > >> > > >> Documentation, please. On what basis was it "verified"? > > > > > > > > > You'd have to ask Dana. He's talked to many of these guys. I > have > > > his article on the Dandis and it may mention it simply in > passing, > > > as what they do with householders. > > > > > > Keep in mind there are teachers in the Shank. tradition who > will > > > realize a certain student is ripe for non-dual meditation and > teach > > > them a method that isn't as dualistic as meditation with an > object. > > > > > > > > > > And yet another comment from Dana: > > > > > I also find the great strengths that exist in other > organizations. > > But > > >this thing, of our experiencing "live mantrah", something that > > exists on > > >its own, deep within self, that something which moves self into > > Self, is > > >that thing which makes TM so very precious. > > > > This is not a unique quality of TM. It exists in all formal, > Tantric > > Hindu and Buddhist traditions. There is no aspect of TM practice > that is > > not common in these traditions (as I mentioned before, the only > change > > I've seen is in how drifting from the mantra is interpreted. In > TM, it's > > attributed to unstressing; in the mainline traditions it's > attributed to > > lack of success. In both cases the instruction is the same - > "return to > > the mantra once you realize you're off of it." > > > > The sooner that TMers face the fact that there is nothing amazing > or > > unusual about their practice (and time spent exploring the > mainline > > Hindu > > traditions points this up) the sooner they'll understand why even > > after 35 > > years of regular meditation they still aren't enlightened. There > is no > > magic technique. Maharishi was able to convince Westerners that > there > > was > > simply because young Westerners didn't know better. TM is relaxing > and > > relaxing is nice. All these years of practice by Westerners proves > that > > TM isn't the magic pill we once thought it was. And if it was, then > > Asians already practicing it would have been enlightened long ago. > > This is my experience too. TM is good - because it gives good > relaxation. But if we want something more - enlightenment - we have > to add something else. And so far I cannot see that the TMO has come > up with that. > Ingegerd >
Oh, well. The 3D computer graphics animation of the activity of the brain of someone who is enlightened (at least to CC) that I'm doing for Fred Travis doesn't mean that he's measured people who are enlightened to CC. Whatever. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
