--- In [email protected], "Paul Mason" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> It appears that the meditation method taught by Guru Dev (& other 
> other 'sadgurus') later morphed to become the TM technique as 
taught 
> by the various organisations of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. 
> 
> Guru Dev explains:-
> 'You must get to know the mantra of your Ishta, and the method of 
> meditation (dhyan) thereof, through an experienced Sadguru and 
> somehow or other, devote some time every day in japa of the Ishta 
> mantra and dhyan. Through japa, realisation (siddhi) will result. 
> There is no doubt about this. "japaat siddhirjapaat 
> siddhirnasaMshayaaH." 
> source - ('Strange Facts About a Great Saint' by Raj Varma, quoting 
> from 'Amrit Kana', a book compiled by Brahmachari Mahesh {aka 
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi}).
> 
> After Guru Dev's demise, when Maharishi Mahesh Yogi started 
teaching 
> meditation in South India in October 1955 he explained:-
> 'For our practice we select only the suitable mantras of personal 
> Gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal Gods and make 
us 
> happier in every walk of life. 
> source - (p65 'Beacon Light of the Himalayas', 1955)
> &
> 'When he devotes himself and meditates on the name and form (NAMA 
AND 
> RUPA) of the LORD, he begins to experience some ANANDAM and also 
the 
> Grace of the Lord in every walk of life'. ibid p76
>  
> Three and a half years later on April 29th 1959 in Los Angeles MMY 
> announced to the press:-
> 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I 
> learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now 
> impart to the world.'
> source - (p244 Thirty Years Around the World' MVU 1986)
> 
> But MMY was now addressing a difference audience from those back 
home 
> in India, and consequently certain elements of the meditation 
> teaching had begun to be revised:-
> 'It is I who gave it the present expression, but I learnt it from 
him 
> (Guru Dev) in the traditional way ... through very old expressions 
of 
> religious order. Every religion has its own vocabulary; Hinduism 
has 
> its own vocabulary; yoga has its own way of expression of the 
> reality; Vedanta has its own approach. He taught me in the 
> traditional way of yoga and Vedanta and Indian religious language. 
I 
> gave it an expression in the universal way... 
> source - (International Times {IT} 15th December 1967)
> 
> So, it appears true to say that Guru Dev taught a form meditation
> to MMY, and that MMY changed the teaching of meditation so it would 
> be more acceptable to non-Hindus.

Seems to me it's impossible to extract from all this
the notion that we would recognize what Guru Dev
taught as the same as what MMY teaches.  "Gave it an
expression in the universal way" could mean almost
anything.

The amusing part of this discussion is that MMY's
critics can't seem to decide whether MMY is a Bad
Person for implying the technique came from Guru
Dev when he actually dreamed it up himself, or 
whether he's a Bad Person for implying he dreamed
it up himself when it actually came from Guru Dev...

He's damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.






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