--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > hermandan0 wrote: > > >trying to follow new.mornings posting inspirations, i've started a new > >thread instead of intjecting this into the old one :) > > > >--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > > >>--- In [email protected], "vajradhatu108" > >> > >> > > > ><snip> > > > > > >>>Any meditation technique that relies on a object > >>>of meditation, a mantra, the breath, etc. will by > >>>it's very nature have some subtle effort (as Mahesh > >>>acknowledged at Estes Park in regard to TM).* > >>> > >>> > >>Of course, it's never been established that what he > >>said at Estes Park ever "acknowledged" any such > >>thing. > >> > >> > >> > > > >I'm not sure exactly what the Estes Park quote is, but Maharishi was > >quite clear that there is some "doing" in the thinking/picking up of > >the mantra and that, yes, this is a contradictory to the mantra just > >appearing on its own. That's why the the instruction to think or pick > >up the mantra is qualified by saying "effortlessy" or "as effortessly > >as a thought comes". Of course one is thinking and of course thinking > >is doing. It may be an effortless doing, but it's a doing. > > > >While it may not be fair to dismiss TM as being a technique of > >"effort" on account of that, vaj is, IMO, not incorrect in calling it > >"subtle effort" becaue of that doing. To misunderstand this puts one > >in the position of a meditator I once encountered who asked "What > >happens if you sit there for the entire 20 minutes and the mantra > >doesn't come?" Duh. > > > Nit-picking and over analyzing the method does not help anything > either. When you sit to meditate you just introduce or think the > mantra. What was trying to be avoided was forcing the mind on the > mantra or any straining. That is the context of the checking notes. > This is also the teaching in other traditions. > > A properly enlivened mantra will enchant the mind anyway but if > something is stirred up by the process it will usually express itself as > thoughts. > > Folks might want to read Sivananda's "Mind - It's Mysteries and Control" > http://www.dlshq.org/download/mind.htm > which was originally published in 1936, years before Maharishi ever > dreamt of becoming a monk and discusses the process of meditation in > very similar terms. >
Well hmmm.... "A Mantra purifies the mind. Mere repetition of a Mantra, parrot-like, has very little effect. It has some benefit. It must be repeated with Bhava (feeling). Then it produces wonderful effects. The Mantra, unless inspired with the powerful will-force of one's own mind, cannot produce much effect." To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
