--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: <snip> > > In my experience, the recognition that I am not > > thinking the mantra arises spontaneously, without > > any intention or "mindfulness"; and the mantra > > is there, also spontaneously, immediately following > > that recognition. At that point it would require > > effort *not* to think the mantra. > > My "expreience" is that often, the recognition that I'm > not thinking the mantra IS the mantra at some level.
My experience as well. > > This may not be what occurs for beginning TMers, > > but I'd suggest that it becomes the case, for > > most people, at least, after some experience of > > TM practice. > > I suspect that this is the case for ALL people, even total > beginners--it seems to be how my mind WORKS (in the non-effort > sense)--but that they 1) don't trust themselves and 2) haven't > gained sufficient sensativity to their own throught-processes > to notice the mantra at the spontaneous level and/or insist on > it being loud. I suspect the same thing. I also suspect it's occasionally the case for experienced TMers; at least it was for me at one point. The mantra had apparently become more subtle than I had realized was possible, and I struggled with what I eventually realized was effort to make it less faint until I just gave up trying, and lo and behold, there it was. I've said before (not sure I've said it here) that I think it's not made clear enough just how faint the mantra can become (MMY has said it can become "infinitely faint," whatever that means), and that this is why TM may seem to stop working for some TMers. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
