Kelley thanks.  He's a June baby- I think 6/01/07.  The vet was also talking 
about this in these terms.  I'd never met this vet before, so it took a while 
for us to work on a line of communication b/c once I told him about how I had 
Monkee (Felv), then he kind of opened up.  He said the same kinds of things 
about the corona virus and never really be able to tell through blood tests b/c 
the antibodies and titers may mean nothing.  That said, his concern is still 
with the cat that is actually presenting some "wet" symptoms maybe (anemia, 
dehydration, lethargy, malaise, fever of 103 yesterday, poor coat, poor skin 
(dander), horrible ear wax- but not mites- which I cleaned out yesterday at the 
vet clinic, red, inflamed gums, and the worst of all- the eye symptoms.  Which 
is what made me take him from the store on Sat.  He has one eye that is 
slightly cloudy and if you really look at it- a different color than his other 
green eye.  It appear amber, as if it's filled with blood or something?  Vet 
said that on exam, he can't clearly see the retinas of both eyes.  Ugh.  He 
doesn't have the fat belly (fluid filled) that I have heard mentioned tho.  
He's anorexic so there's no belly at all right now.  Funny thing is, the little 
guy perked up instantly when I brought him home.  He wants to play and run and 
have a party and I'm like, you look like H*ll!  I don't think he knows it!  He 
eats wonderfully- which surprised the vet.  Guess he thought a cat with a temp 
wouldn't be eating, but as soon as I got him home and gave him wet Wellness 
kitten with nutrical, he just eats away.  
Of course, my mom is freaking out completely.  Totally mad b/c she knows the 
hoops I jump through to try to get a cat to a vet (even one presenting like 
this!!!!!!!!!!!!) and it's exhausting mentally.  So when I do finally get one 
to a vet (after being told to just try some Terramycin in his eyes 1st...hello? 
 are you kidding me?!) and the vet looks at me and says, this cat is sick, 
sick.  And I look at him and say, "um, I know, that's why I took him home on 
Sat. and we're here on X-mas eve and I'm missing work!"  It enrages my mom 
basically.  And me too.  I'm trying not worry, but I think the vet is 
suspecting that these June babies that have been problematic kittens (URIs, 
etc.) may be from the same litter and born to an infected queen- which I told 
him I don't think they are from the same litter tho.  Problem is that I don't 
have all the info that is needed- I wasn't volunteering for this group yet (b/c 
Monkee and I were still fighting the good fight against Felv and lymphoma) when 
someone took these orphans out of Metro AC.  They were dumped on me starting 
back at Labor day and each has cycled through my household at one time.  Except 
Yoda never left!  
I'm also concerned b/c the group I vol for doesn't combo test- I was only just 
told this- and I don't know why.  They only test for Felv once as kittens- no 
retesting.  Which I guess that's debatable, I just hope that vets know enough 
to retest a newly adopted cat when the people bring it in.  They only give the 
two FVRCP shots and the vet gives the rabies.  They don't vaccinate for Felv, 
FIV and FIP before adopting.  But I am thinking that if since I have fosters 
and personal cats in my house, I need to have those cats fully protected with 
all these vaccines- but I guess that is debatable too.  I think maybe if I 
wasn't taking in fosters/recuses, maybe I would go more the why vaccinate if 
they aren't showing titers route, but with this recent scare, I am reevaluating 

Date: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:22:15 -0600From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]: Re: Archives
Hi Caroline,
I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV.
FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been 
around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to.  One of my vets puts 
the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound.  So please DO NOT 
worry about contagion if the cat has FIP.  It is a mutation.  In the past it 
was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there 
are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which 
in and of itself means basically nothing.  There is a good webinar about FIP on 
the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas 
listening to a webinar on FIP.   But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious.  
Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has 
been exposed to coronavirus. 
FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV.  It is mostly transmitted through 
tomcats fighting and/or cats mating.  If this is a tomcat and he has been 
fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your 
household I would absolutely not worry.  THe other thing about FIV is that 
there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he will 
always test + for FIV.  There's a seperate test that purports to determine if 
the + result is from but you have to send the blood to a well-renowned 
university - I want to say it is UC Davis, but not quite sure.  You don't say 
how old this cat is, but kittens can test FIV+ from maternal antibodies until 
about 6 months.  
IF you can send me a picture of the spay site I might be able to help you 
there.  A little ooziness is normal.  I may actually have follow up 
instructions on my computer I can send you, I will check.
Feel free to call me if you like.
On Dec 25, 2007 2:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I can't access the Archives.  I keep trying and I keep getting an error 
message.  It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to 
send this email.  Anyone else tried?    I'd really like to get to the Archives 
because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he 
looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course).  Took 
him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and 
the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very 
concerned about "infectious disease."  Thank god- but I think he was shocked 
that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just 
got my hands on this cat and have been playing "clean-up duty" since the end of 
Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR 
has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very 
very difficult.  I didn't mince words.  It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 
hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I 
guess.  The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get 
the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv 
in that order.  I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that 
before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats 
(my own opinion).  But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was 
mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I 
ever even took in any cats.  So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP 
cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that 
is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time.  I'm mad 
and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the 
resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to 
mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get 
approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more 
arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to 
get approval without being told things like "well, if it would make YOU feel 
better...but I think you are overreacting."  And I spent literally hundreds of 
dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to 
rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself.  I'm just sick over this.  I'm 
trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back.  I have to 
give him fluids- which I have never done and he's a fighter.  He got fluids 
yesterday at the clinic, but he was still somewhat sedated from when they took 
his blood, so I am sure my attempt today will not go half as smooth.  He's not 
happy about being in a crate in a room by himself either and it breaks my 
heart.   So I wanted to look through the archives because I know FIP and FIV 
have been discussed before.  Also, of my 3 barn kittens (totally separated from 
the other fosters- so don't worry about that), I have one now who's little spay 
site seems a tad oozy.  Nothing scary scary like blood or a lot of fluid, but 
it just doesn't look totally right.  Not that I know what totally right looks 
like tho because I've never had a kitten this young spayed and I wasn't really 
given any follow-up care instructions- just been using my own common sense.  
But of course, I am worried.  And of course, it's Christmas and that makes it 
very hard to call and ask anyone!   Caroline   

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