I know he wanted to run a full blood panel so maybe that is why?  He wants to 
look at the thyroid- altho he said he doubted it was that; liver, wbc, rbc, 
platelets, etc., you name it.  Like I said, it was my first time seeing this 
vet and so we working on building rapport, at the same time treating this cat 
and the office was also pretty crazy that day- pretty frantic.
Let me tell you tho, I gave the cat his subcu fluids today and it was, uh, 
h*ll.  My 19 yo cat got subcu fluids the last year of his life and altho I 
never administered it on him, I have no doubt it was NOTHING like giving fluids 
to a fully awake, 6 mth old kitten who's been "trapped" in his crate all day, 
already feeling 10 times better apparently and raring to go!  Let me note the 
tech showed me how to do it yesterday when the cat was still knocked out from 
havin the blood drawn!  So, it sucked, but I managed, but not without first 
getting a lot of the iv fluid all over him and myself!  It's obvious tho that 
he feels so much better already...it's kind of weird.  He wants to take off and 
run around the house like a crazy man and I'm like, you have a fluid bump 
little man...and it's leaking!  We're not running around the house leaking 

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Re: ArchivesDate: Tue, 25 Dec 2007 
17:16:43 -0600I certainly agree with that.  Fiv is easy - I have several FIV 
cats, that never get sick.  Well, I have 1 that's just turned diabetic, but 
other than that, no problem.  I mix them with my non-FIV cats, no problem. 

FIP, another question, like she said.  They can test for FIV/FELV in-house, so 
I'm wondering why they didnt do that.  The FIP test is really for the corona 
virus, which, like she said, is pretty common among cats, especially shelter 
cats, it's just that in some cats it mutates and causes FIP.


On Dec 25, 2007, at 2:22 PM, Kelley Saveika wrote:

Hi Caroline,
I can't tell you about the archives, but I can tell you about FIP and FIV.
FIP is a rare mutation of a coronavirus that almost all cats that have been 
around other cats, shelter cats, etc have been exposed to.  One of my vets puts 
the exposure rate to coronavirus at 95% at our local pound.  So please DO NOT 
worry about contagion if the cat has FIP.  It is a mutation.  In the past it 
was thought that there wasn't a way to diagnose FIP without necropsy, but there 
are a couple of tests - these do not include the coronavirus titer test, which 
in and of itself means basically nothing.  There is a good webinar about FIP on 
the Petsmart charities site, if you really want to spend your Christmas 
listening to a webinar on FIP.   But in and of itself it IS NOT contagious.  
Coronavirus is contagious and it is likely that every cat in your house has 
been exposed to coronavirus. 
FIV is much harder to transmit than FELV.  It is mostly transmitted through 
tomcats fighting and/or cats mating.  If this is a tomcat and he has been 
fighting, he may have it, but unless he were to bite another cat in your 
household I would absolutely not worry.  THe other thing about FIV is that 
there is an FIV vaccine, which once you have your cat vaccinated with he will 
always test + for FIV.  There's a seperate test that purports to determine if 
the + result is from but you have to send the blood to a well-renowned 
university - I want to say it is UC Davis, but not quite sure.  You don't say 
how old this cat is, but kittens can test FIV+ from maternal antibodies until 
about 6 months.  
IF you can send me a picture of the spay site I might be able to help you 
there.  A little ooziness is normal.  I may actually have follow up 
instructions on my computer I can send you, I will check.
Feel free to call me if you like.
On Dec 25, 2007 2:02 PM, Caroline Kaufmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I can't access the Archives.  I keep trying and I keep getting an error 
message.  It's not my internet service, obviously, or I wouldn't be able to 
send this email.  Anyone else tried?    I'd really like to get to the Archives 
because I took a cat into my home that I took from the store on Sat. because he 
looked horrible and no one else is doing anything about it (of course).  Took 
him to the doctor yesterday (had to fight to get approval to even do that and 
the cat is obviously sickly looking- I'm so frustrated), and the vet is very 
concerned about "infectious disease."  Thank god- but I think he was shocked 
that the cat hasn't been treated yet, so I made it very very clear that I just 
got my hands on this cat and have been playing "clean-up duty" since the end of 
Aug. on these orphaned Metro AC June babies and that the group I VOLUNTEER FOR 
has made my self-appointed task of cleaning up their neglected messes, very 
very difficult.  I didn't mince words.  It was Christmas Eve and I spent 2 
hours and 15 mins at the vets and NOT being able to work and I just cracked I 
guess.  The vet is suspecting- based only on the physical exam b/c we won't get 
the blood tests (full panel) back on Wed. (hopefully)-- FIP, FIV, and/or Felv 
in that order.  I am not so worried about Felv b/c I have dealt with that 
before and I just don't think it's transmitted that easily in non-fighting cats 
(my own opinion).  But I have never dealt with FIP and FIV and this cat was 
mingled with my other fosters by the adoption agency I volunteer for before I 
ever even took in any cats.  So basically I am freaking out that I may have FIP 
cats on my hands and not have known it b/c of course I am now wondering if that 
is what has been wrong with my weak little Possum cat all this time.  I'm mad 
and scared and feel like I was asked to take in cats yet not given the 
resources to deal with them fully and protect them from each other; not to 
mention the caring for them with 2 hands tied behind my back b/c to get 
approval to take them to a vet (for the agency to pay for it) takes more 
arguing and hoop jumping-- the cat has to be practically dying to be able to 
get approval without being told things like "well, if it would make YOU feel 
better...but I think you are overreacting."  And I spent literally hundreds of 
dollars premium food and litter that I just don't have any money left over to 
rush cats out to vets and pay for it myself.  I'm just sick over this.  I'm 
trying to care for this little guy until we get the results back.  I have to 
give him fluids- which I have never done and he's a fighter.  He got fluids 
yesterday at the clinic, but he was still somewhat sedated from when they took 
his blood, so I am sure my attempt today will not go half as smooth.  He's not 
happy about being in a crate in a room by himself either and it breaks my 
heart.   So I wanted to look through the archives because I know FIP and FIV 
have been discussed before.  Also, of my 3 barn kittens (totally separated from 
the other fosters- so don't worry about that), I have one now who's little spay 
site seems a tad oozy.  Nothing scary scary like blood or a lot of fluid, but 
it just doesn't look totally right.  Not that I know what totally right looks 
like tho because I've never had a kitten this young spayed and I wasn't really 
given any follow-up care instructions- just been using my own common sense.  
But of course, I am worried.  And of course, it's Christmas and that makes it 
very hard to call and ask anyone!   Caroline   

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