hmmm I may have an older version but hal does not always show me everything and it chooses to crash loads more than jaws. hal has its uses though. I suppose I navigate via headdings loads these days. At 02:29 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: >Fair enough sean. > >I admit, I found the jaws method of totally restructuring web pages not to be >to my taste at all, ---- especially for online games which feature links in >specific places at the top or bottom to be helpful to the player. > >I'll also say, it makes things easier when i've got my sighted friends here >doing things with the mouse, to be able to flick Hal off and on as needed and >have the screen display web pages, ---- or indeed anything else, in a way >which they can also read quite successfully. > >I've had some fun playing through online gamebooks like project.aon using >these methods. > >Again though, this is probably just a case of me being much more used to doing >things with Hal. > >Beware the grue! > >Dark. >----- Original Message ----- From: "shaun everiss" <[email protected]> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> >Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 12:49 AM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games > > >>hmmm I like the way jaws handles the web, just like a standard page, also how >>it handles advanced word and excell functions. >>However I don't care about how it handles winamp or eudora and some other >>apps. >>At 01:44 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: >>>I actually prefer both the way hal Handles virtual focus and screen >>>recognition and interaction myself, ---- I actually found the jaws multiple >>>modes system rather confusing. >>> >>>In Hal for example, it's so natural for me to be in virtual focus for web >>>pages, I'm quite familiar with all it's short cuts and nuances, and thus >>>when I have to use it for a game like smugglers, or for an unusual >>>application, ---- it's controls for reading and navigation are very >>>familiar, ---- even if the html specific stuff isn't available. >>> >>>Likewise, I don't mind the double control system either. >>> >>>These though, are very much simply part of me having been such a long time >>>Hal user, ---- heck, i stil remember when what later became virtual focus >>>and is now the dolphin curser was called screen reading mode, and could do >>>nothing more than literally read what text was on screen in the currently >>>focused window, ---- and not interact with it, ---- that was back in Hal >>>version 3. >>> >>>I was also amused (and a litle disturbed), when Dolphin announced that >>>version 10 would no longer come with the version four keyset, sinse they >>>felt that keyset was no longer needed as keys had been standardized for so >>>long, ---- though could stil be dwnloaded from teir sie. >>> >>>I had to laugh, sinse I stil remember upgrading from version 4 to version 5 >>>9 years ago, ---- and after trying the version four keyset, deciding it'd be >>>more worth my while to get used to the new version 5 keys than persist with >>>the version 4 ones which didn't seem to let me access some of version 5's >>>new features. >>> >>>That's quite scary in a way! >>> >>>Beware the Grue! >>> >>>Dark. >>>----- Original Message ----- From: "peter Mahach" <[email protected]> >>>To: "Gamers Discussion list" <[email protected]> >>>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:58 PM >>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games >>> >>> >>>>well >>>>let's just say you could call me a screen reader expert or close to that. I >>>>worked with nearly everything available on windows and had a few >>>>experiences with orca on the gnome desktop. >>>>when I started out I was running wineyes 4.5 and needless to say the >>>>control panel was very! confusing, the option names sorta weird. >>>>especially the keyboard echo. instead of having 4 levels you have 1 long >>>>list with keys, words, both and then keys, words and both with out >>>>interrupt instead of putting these 2 separately. >>>>I also at first had troubles applying changes globally, but as for day to >>>>day use (when I'm not digging in the thing) window-eyes was all in all a >>>>plezent experience to work with. >>>>then when I ended up on vista I started to use jaws daily. it was an easier >>>>thing to learn I'll admit and I got used to it quite a lot. >>>>dolphin's products, hmm. have these at school. I find them weird. the hot >>>>keys are especially confusing, sometimes requiring left, or specifrically, >>>>right, control, making me getting hal announcing the key instead of >>>>performing the function I expected it to do. I do, however, like its... uh. >>>>what was it called. verbosity schemes I think. it allows full modification >>>>of just about anything the thing says. for instance I changed it to say >>>>checked/unchecked instead of its default selected/unselected on checkboxes, >>>>that sort of thing. I wish though they made a seaprate buffer for msaa >>>>content instead of using their mouse emulation with some DOM thrown in to >>>>do the job. >>>>I did also test system access and nvda and I find I don't have to comment, >>>>the 2 are really nice readers. >>>>sorry if I went off topic at 1 point or another and sorry for the long >>>>message, and take care! >>>>----- Original Message ----- From: "Hayden Presley" <[email protected]> >>>>To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <[email protected]> >>>>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:51 AM >>>>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games >>>> >>>> >>>>>Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself. >>>> >>>> >>>>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>>>database 4333 (20090813) __________ >>>> >>>>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >>>> >>>>http://www.eset.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>--- >>>>Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>>>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>>[email protected]. >>>>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>>>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>>>please send E-mail to [email protected]. >>> >>> >>>--- >>>Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to >>>[email protected]. >>>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>>please send E-mail to [email protected]. >> >> >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>please send E-mail to [email protected]. > > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ [email protected] >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to [email protected]. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to [email protected].
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