hmmm I like the way jaws handles the web, just like a standard page, also how it handles advanced word and excell functions. However I don't care about how it handles winamp or eudora and some other apps. At 01:44 p.m. 1/12/2009, you wrote: >I actually prefer both the way hal Handles virtual focus and screen >recognition and interaction myself, ---- I actually found the jaws multiple >modes system rather confusing. > >In Hal for example, it's so natural for me to be in virtual focus for web >pages, I'm quite familiar with all it's short cuts and nuances, and thus when >I have to use it for a game like smugglers, or for an unusual application, >---- it's controls for reading and navigation are very familiar, ---- even if >the html specific stuff isn't available. > >Likewise, I don't mind the double control system either. > >These though, are very much simply part of me having been such a long time Hal >user, ---- heck, i stil remember when what later became virtual focus and is >now the dolphin curser was called screen reading mode, and could do nothing >more than literally read what text was on screen in the currently focused >window, ---- and not interact with it, ---- that was back in Hal version 3. > >I was also amused (and a litle disturbed), when Dolphin announced that version >10 would no longer come with the version four keyset, sinse they felt that >keyset was no longer needed as keys had been standardized for so long, ---- >though could stil be dwnloaded from teir sie. > >I had to laugh, sinse I stil remember upgrading from version 4 to version 5 9 >years ago, ---- and after trying the version four keyset, deciding it'd be >more worth my while to get used to the new version 5 keys than persist with >the version 4 ones which didn't seem to let me access some of version 5's new >features. > >That's quite scary in a way! > >Beware the Grue! > >Dark. >----- Original Message ----- From: "peter Mahach" <piterm...@gmail.com> >To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org> >Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 7:58 PM >Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games > > >>well >>let's just say you could call me a screen reader expert or close to that. I >>worked with nearly everything available on windows and had a few experiences >>with orca on the gnome desktop. >>when I started out I was running wineyes 4.5 and needless to say the control >>panel was very! confusing, the option names sorta weird. especially the >>keyboard echo. instead of having 4 levels you have 1 long list with keys, >>words, both and then keys, words and both with out interrupt instead of >>putting these 2 separately. >>I also at first had troubles applying changes globally, but as for day to day >>use (when I'm not digging in the thing) window-eyes was all in all a plezent >>experience to work with. >>then when I ended up on vista I started to use jaws daily. it was an easier >>thing to learn I'll admit and I got used to it quite a lot. >>dolphin's products, hmm. have these at school. I find them weird. the hot >>keys are especially confusing, sometimes requiring left, or specifrically, >>right, control, making me getting hal announcing the key instead of >>performing the function I expected it to do. I do, however, like its... uh. >>what was it called. verbosity schemes I think. it allows full modification of >>just about anything the thing says. for instance I changed it to say >>checked/unchecked instead of its default selected/unselected on checkboxes, >>that sort of thing. I wish though they made a seaprate buffer for msaa >>content instead of using their mouse emulation with some DOM thrown in to do >>the job. >>I did also test system access and nvda and I find I don't have to comment, >>the 2 are really nice readers. >>sorry if I went off topic at 1 point or another and sorry for the long >>message, and take care! >>----- Original Message ----- From: "Hayden Presley" <hdpres...@hotmail.com> >>To: "'Gamers Discussion list'" <gamers@audyssey.org> >>Sent: Monday, November 30, 2009 1:51 AM >>Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Screen Readers and Games >> >> >>>Really? That's a feature I've come to like in JAWS myself. >> >> >>__________ Information from ESET Smart Security, version of virus signature >>database 4333 (20090813) __________ >> >>The message was checked by ESET Smart Security. >> >>http://www.eset.com >> >> >> >> >>--- >>Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >>If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >>You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >>http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >>All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >>http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >>If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >>please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org. > > >--- >Gamers mailing list __ Gamers@audyssey.org >If you want to leave the list, send E-mail to gamers-unsubscr...@audyssey.org. >You can make changes or update your subscription via the web, at >http://audyssey.org/mailman/listinfo/gamers_audyssey.org. >All messages are archived and can be searched and read at >http://www.mail-archive.com/gam...@audyssey.org. >If you have any questions or concerns regarding the management of the list, >please send E-mail to gamers-ow...@audyssey.org.
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