You have my complete agreement. I remember trying to beat Sodom... that was
a nightmare. Not being able to see I pretty much had to guess my position
all the time. Took me ages. lol. And yes, I do agree that audio games in
general tend to be so much more see it and hit it than using your wits.
Though I will say that in games like Judgement day and Alien Outback at
least you do have to gage where everything is, break down the kinds of enemy
coming at you, etc. I find myself asking these questions all the time...
should I go after that plane first, or do I take out that helicopter and let
that rocket hit my base? But I do agree that games need to be made more
complex, which is why, again, I'm glad of the direction that Tom is taking.
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From: "dark" <d...@xgam.org>
To: "Gamers Discussion list" <gamers@audyssey.org>
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2012 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [Audyssey] Mysteries of the Ancients News
Hi clemment.
No complaints from me, side scrollers like final fight are generally
considdered 2D too, just in a different sense from games like mega man or
mario. However my point is that games like Superliam and Q9 are stil
lacking that vertical movement element which was so crytical to the
gameplay of games like final fight, double dragon or streets of rage.
with those games though, simple as they were, position was everything.
for instance, soddom on final fight would slash you with his swords at
long range unless you remained vertically below him and attempted to walk
into him from above or below.
Get too far to one side and he'd either slash you if you were on the same
horizontal row as him, or do a diagonal charge. Guy is fast enough to
dodge the charge and grab him from behind, but the other two weren't so
you had to avoid him using it.
Thus, the games required intensive tactics, indeed if you look on gamefaqs
there is a 200 k guide for streets of rage two that goes into incredibly
deep detail, and one 100 k one for the game golden axe with additions even
by yours truly.
Yes, battle zone you can get a machine gun and moe people down, but there
is no stratogy, no position, and litle really beyond hit them before they
hit you type gameplay.
this is really I think the heart of where audio games are behind
mainstream ones.
Even in a game like space invaders, when you can see the invaders and
their position, you need to judge exactly and precisely the speed of the
falling bullits, how long it'll take you to duck behind the shields, where
the invaders move etc.
In most audio variets, it's a case of here it, hit it, here it, hit it!
this is really the area I think audio games need to work on, whether 2D or
3D or whatever, having action games that actually engage a players
judgement of a given situation and it's factors and require practice,
rather than just reaction speed.
Beware the grue!
Dark.
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