No what it means Joe is that who chooses the wording of the vote gets a lot of control the outcome.
...ant On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> wrote: > Waah. Look this just DEFINES consensus as 75% instead > of the old 100%. It doesn't throw consensus out the window. > Please stop with all of these exaggerations and try to > self-moderate- half of the volume in these debates is all > you talking to yourself. > > > On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:18 AM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Benson Margulies >> <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> It appears to me that we have a consensus here on using a majority system >>> with a 3/4 supermajority. I'd like to establish the existence of this >>> consensus with a minimum of fuss, and begin to stop wasting everyone's >>> time. Our goal here is to achieve consensus, not to hold votes. So, I'm >>> going to treat this as a lazy consensus issues. I'm going to watch this >>> thread for an additional 72 hours. If anyone objects to this consensus, >>> send along a brief summary of your objection with a -1. If there are, in >>> fact, substantive objections, I'll organize a separate vote process to >>> resolve this. Please do not debate objections here, we'll do that later if >>> we have to. Everyone's had a fair opportunity to state their opinion, so >>> the only thing we're doing now is ensuring that no one is harboring a >>> serious objection that I have somehow overlooked. Acquiescing in this >>> process does not prejudice the discussion of changing the PMC. >>> >> >> I'd prefer we stick with consensus but not enough to vote against this. >> >> However as no one has mentioned this I do think its worth pointing out >> that when using supermajority instead of consensus or simple majority >> then the phrasing of the vote becomes important. >> >> Eg. Say 16 people participate in a vote then: >> "Throw the guy out" needs 5 -1s to stop it happening >> "Let the guy stay" needs 12 +1s to make it happen. >> >> ...ant >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
