No more so than they already had. Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:56 AM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: > No what it means Joe is that who chooses the wording of the vote gets > a lot of control the outcome. > > ...ant > > On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 1:25 PM, Joseph Schaefer <joe_schae...@yahoo.com> > wrote: >> Waah. Look this just DEFINES consensus as 75% instead >> of the old 100%. It doesn't throw consensus out the window. >> Please stop with all of these exaggerations and try to >> self-moderate- half of the volume in these debates is all >> you talking to yourself. >> >> >> On Mar 28, 2013, at 9:18 AM, ant elder <ant.el...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> On Thu, Mar 28, 2013 at 12:44 PM, Benson Margulies >>> <bimargul...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> It appears to me that we have a consensus here on using a majority system >>>> with a 3/4 supermajority. I'd like to establish the existence of this >>>> consensus with a minimum of fuss, and begin to stop wasting everyone's >>>> time. Our goal here is to achieve consensus, not to hold votes. So, I'm >>>> going to treat this as a lazy consensus issues. I'm going to watch this >>>> thread for an additional 72 hours. If anyone objects to this consensus, >>>> send along a brief summary of your objection with a -1. If there are, in >>>> fact, substantive objections, I'll organize a separate vote process to >>>> resolve this. Please do not debate objections here, we'll do that later if >>>> we have to. Everyone's had a fair opportunity to state their opinion, so >>>> the only thing we're doing now is ensuring that no one is harboring a >>>> serious objection that I have somehow overlooked. Acquiescing in this >>>> process does not prejudice the discussion of changing the PMC. >>> >>> I'd prefer we stick with consensus but not enough to vote against this. >>> >>> However as no one has mentioned this I do think its worth pointing out >>> that when using supermajority instead of consensus or simple majority >>> then the phrasing of the vote becomes important. >>> >>> Eg. Say 16 people participate in a vote then: >>> "Throw the guy out" needs 5 -1s to stop it happening >>> "Let the guy stay" needs 12 +1s to make it happen. >>> >>> ...ant >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >>> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org >> >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org >> For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org > For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscr...@incubator.apache.org For additional commands, e-mail: general-h...@incubator.apache.org
