I've put up a limited copy of the HiveMind documentation on my personal home page:
http://home.comcast.net/~hlship/ This includes most documentation, but excludes JavaDoc, Source Xref, etc. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Creator, Tapestry: Java Web Components http://jakarta.apache.org/tapestry > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > <snip/> > > this proposal is that HiveMind be a top-level Jakarta project > <snip/> > > In terms of homes, I can see a number of possible options: > <snip/> > > 3) Chuck it over to Avalon > <snip/> > > I've snipped out my opinions on the other options; not feeling much like > re-re-hashing what basically are the same differences of opinion > everytime :D. > > But this one I will give some more thought (background: I'm an avalon > committer who has evaluated HiveMind to some extent). First off: > HiveMind definately fits the avalon charter. The problem space it plays > in is roughly the same as the one avalon plays in. > > But I'm weary of two things: > > 1) community seperation. There is very little community overlap between > HiveMind and Avalon atm. Some attempts were made from both sides to > perhaps create some synergy, but fact-of-the-matter is that community > reuse is even harder than code reuse, and its not happening atm. > > 2) subprojects don't work well for avalon. Avalon has suffered greatly > in the past from having multiple subprojects (what were subsubprojects > at the time, even subsubsubprojects, as avalon was a jakarta subproject) > with somewhat seperate communities. We really don't want that to happen > again. > > Howard lists some of many technical points (like type-1 vs type-2 vs > type-3 IoC, flexibility vs security, block vs module, > interception&dynamism vs declaration&validation) where HiveMind differs > in approach from avalon, but I find those a lot less worrying than the > points above. I'm quite sure that if some of the most active HiveMind > and avalon coders get together on some kind of integration, it could be > done before christmas :D > > > I suggest that, as that seems to be the general preference, the HiveMind > community sees about becoming a jakarta subproject, knowing that seeking > a home at avalon now or in the future is an option open to exploration > at any time. > > --- > > Danny Angus wrote: > <more snips/> > > I did wonder if there would be support @avalon for an alternative > > approach as an avalon sub-project. > > I think its safe to say that there is some, but as an avalon sub-project > I think HiveMind would be a lot less autonomous than it would be as a > jakarta subproject. > > > The danger of having an Avalon alternative @jakarta is that it will be > > seen by people as somehow being Jakarta's favoured solution, rather > > than as one of two (or more) alternatives promoted by Avalon. > > I'm not that afraid that this will pose an issue. After all, avalon is > still linked to from the jakarta front page! > > > but I don't want Jakarta to be accused of trying to replace Avalon, > > and I guess that will mean involving Avalon folks in the discussion. > > I don't think that will be an issue, but thanks for the heads-up! > > > cheers! > > > - Leo > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] For additional commands, e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
