Hello all,

Top-posting: please could we stop the discussion right here and now? This is certainly not the place to be making heated discussions over religions.


I think we all arrived to some consensus over the last icon proposed by Klaus, that it is nice, and pretty much gives a good enough idea of the concept of "icon theme preferences". If anyone has a technical/design/artistic/semantic opinion to add about the icon, feel free to bring your input. Otherwise let's settle the topic.
In any case, let's stop the religion discussion.
Thanks.

Jehan

On 2016-01-10 23:50, Isaac David wrote:
No religious symbol or piece of information whatsoever has the
potential to offend me, and I would like others to hold to the same
standard. No matter how slanted, distasteful, incorrect, bigoted or
libelous a form of expression is; only physical damage constitutes an
offence to me. If I don't like an idea I fight it with another idea
(or just disregard it), not with victimhood and censorship.

Le sam. 9 janv. 2016 à 17:25, Jorge Araya Navarro
<elcor...@deshackra.com> a écrit :

In my opinion, secularism is not neutrality (if that is what you
mean by neutrality), if you ask me,

I would like to hear more because your opinion sounds wrong by
definition to me. Note that I'm not advocating the removal of the
symbol. For this particular symbol I don't care either way.

it would be an unfair imposition

Under free software imposition is impossible, by definition. It can be
attempted but it's pretty much futile. Go ahead positively infusing a
doctrine in every Parabola package if you like; I won't be restrained.
Moreover, I think it's your right to do so, for software is not a
State but ought to be your property to modify and distribute. Just
don't expect me to use those packages, at least in that form.

on those parabolers who do practice a religion

The symbol can only be there or not, and multiple religions exist. So
according to you the removal of such symbol is an imposition by
secularists on practicioners of some Asian religions, but its staying
is not an imposition of some Asian religion on a Catholic Christian
like you. Does not compute.

as secularism holds a set of doctrines about the world that are
contrary to, i.e.: mine.

This sounds amusing. Do you advocate theocracies, the desaparition of
freedom of religion, or something like that?

This is to say that, we should do such a fuzz about this. El
sábado 09 de enero del 2016 a las 1625 horas, coadde escribió:

Hi guys, some days ago, i found a Ying Yang icon that is being
used as Symbolic icon theme [0]. Since it is part of concept of
Chinese folk religion [1], in my opinion it lacks of neutrality.
So, i've posted a report about it to bugzilla [2]. In the middle
of the discussion, i've put that use a heraldic shield (proposal
of liam [3]) could be a good idea; however, i didn't paid
attention that a heraldic shield represents a imperialist symbol
[4] that is opposite of my principles, sorry about that :( I've
been thinking a lot about a solution for it, then it popped into
my head... "why don't create a new one based on classic GIMP
theme? [5]" It could be proposed as an idea for Klaus that, as
Jehan says [6], "he is kind of the de-facto icon boss for the time
being. :-)", however i think is better open a consensus to
encourage community participation to make a appropriate logo for
it and help him too. What do you think guys? Regards, Márcio
Silva Parabola GNU/Linux-libre hacker
https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/#coadde [1]


[0]:https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Symbolic/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
[2]


[1]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_folk_religion#Yin_and_yang.E2.80.94gui_and_shen
[3] [2]:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281 [4]
[3]:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c4 [5]
[4]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry [6]


[5]:https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Default/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
[7] [6]:https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c11 [8]
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Links:
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[1] https://www.parabola.nu/people/hackers/#coadde
[2]
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Symbolic/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
[3]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_folk_religion#Yin_and_yang.E2.80.94gui_and_shen
[4] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281
[5] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c4
[6] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heraldry
[7]
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gimp/plain/icons/Default/48/gimp-prefs-icon-theme.png
[8] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=760281#c11
[9] https://lists.parabola.nu/mailman/listinfo/dev
[10] https://es.gravatar.com/shackra

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