James wrote, earlier

> it seems pretty clear that we are seeing the typical
> one in 50 event that most people can expect to see in their lifetimes

And on Jul 25, 1:55 pm, James Annan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Are you asking about the probability of precipitation extremes, or of
> flooding? Given the changes in the built environment, there is not a 1-1
> correspondence over time.

I'm asking abut both, really. Your 50 year flood event turns out to be
worse than 1947, which was a 200 year event. Now, obviously, a 200
year event followed 60 years later by a ?300 year event doesn't mean
the probabilities have necessarily changed, but it is suggestive given
the predicted changes to the hydrological cycle.

As far as precipitation extremes are concerned, we have (as I said) a
robust prediction of intensification, and it looks as though that is
being seen. Although the actual amounts involved in the UK floods may
not themselves be records, the rate of precipitation over a wide area
may well be. It will be interesting to see the post-flood Met Office
analysis. (Some figures on the NZ environment blog:
http://www.newscientist.com/blog/environment/2007/07/flooding-in-england-whats-to-be-done.html).

As to the summer extremes - wouldn't that be exactly when you'd expect
rainfall records to be set? Warmer air, more moisture, thunderstorms,
flooding. Perhaps we should be looking at changes in the occurrence of
"thundery rain"


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