Thanks for that encouragement of better things to come.
You see, secretly, i love window-eyes and would prefer to use it all the time.
having to switch back and forth for this app or that does not make me
feel warm and fuzzy.
it'd be like a sighted person having to unplug and plug in another
monitor for word, or email or web-surfing.
Here I am in notepad trying to edit an sfz file and all of a sudden
the next line disappears.
So i jump over to jaws and notepad works fine.
But then I change the screen-resolution to make another app happy,
and jaws don't like you to mess with the screen-res on the fly, so it
quits working.
So it's time to re-boot.
And on and on.
Ah, these blasted machines.
I think I'll move to an underdeveloped country and join a band of
natives and dance naked around a fire off of animal bones and live
happily ever after beating on logs.
A 01:09 PM 9/30/2008, you wrote:
We have made several OSM improvements in 7.0. I have no doubt that
they aren't helping you as there are literally thousands of ways to
write to the screen and even if you are off by one pixel it can be
enough to cause major problems. We are not living in isolation in
some sort of vacuum as you seem to imply below and we are aware of
what other products are and are not doing. We will be addressing
direct access to edits and richedits soon which will make this
situation far better for everyone.
At 12:19 AM 9/27/2008, you wrote:
The text editing things are a huge drag with we that have gotten
worse and they won't go away till we get direct edits.
I know osm corruption is alive and well in we 7 just this
afternoon, I'd written a letter and then deleted a message.
Well, some lines from that message in eudora were still voicing as
i went around to other apps, I was working with Aaron's hotspot
scripts, and popping in and out of the we folder looking at the
changes made, and now and again I'd hear the lines I'd deleted.
Flaky stuff like this happens in we7 and not in 6.1.
I remember we 5.5 being very stable to tell you the truth, I didn't
see a lot of functionallity added to 6.1 over 5.5 atleast with the apps I use.
But I'm not on the beaten path with office apps, and excel and
stuff, which i believe 6.1 was mostly about, I'm an audio guy and
sonar and sound-forge and all the musical stuff is my bread and butter.
Most of those guys have moved to jaws-land, and I'm one of the few
hold-outs, hoping for more out of we.
I seem to have no contemporaries, or colleagues trying to do what
I'm doing with we, I really only know of one guy doing it seriously
that I would consider at the level I'm at.
That is not to sound arrogant or condecending, but only that on
lists like this I don't see much in the way of stuff dealing with
advanced setfile writing, or how to get we to do really complex tasks.
I'm not a scriptor, so I'm kind of caught in the middle.
When gwmicro mostly deals with beginners needing to know things
like how to load scripts, and browser issues and more generic
stuff, nobody can ever duplicate what I see, but then nobody is
running my stuff.
it's too easy just to say your machine is messed up, even though I
can get the same kind of stuf with a clean machine.
There are fundamental diferences between the way video is
implemented with jaws verses window-eyes.
I don't know all the technical details, but with jaws it is
possible to do some basic tasks without the video intercept, much
like you do with narrator.
On the other hand we is better at fielding display changes and not
having to re-boot.
I still want to work with we in my aps, and after 7 versions of
paying for the product, even though there are tools in jaws land
that do what I need to do and do it well, I'm still hoping for a
one screen-reader solution.
Despite all the hassles with we growing pains, there are things I
love about we namely the non-copy protection aspects of it and the
ease of putting it on any machine and the ease of doing a portable
configuration.
And we is still good at finding things on the screen when jaws will
show nothing, between the two screen-readers i think it's about as
good as it gets
Atleast for us.
If one won't do it the other will.
But gwmicro really needs to be less insular in the core group, and
watch what the other guys are doing, believe me, they are watching
gwmicro, and feelling threatened enough to go to court over stupid stuf.
So it's really important when doing research and development to
keep track of what the best is in the business and to either match
it or do better at it.
Well, i think by version 8 or 9 we'll be able to really know for
sure is window-eyes can really make the grade on these major productivity apps.
There's a lot of catching up to do, and not enough people to do it,
but here's hoping for the best.
At 03:04 PM 9/26/2008, you wrote:
Hi Mike, for me 5.5 was the last good working version of we. 6.0
and 6.1 introduced many problems on the web, and many
editing problems in all Microsoft products. I guess just not so
very happy with we any more, with the 150 upgrade cost of 6.0/6.1
and the cost of this 1 for a product that just isn't very good
and now not so stable anymore I can't justify it
Angelo
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Well, I can understand the hessitancy with 7.0 given numerous comments,
but why go back to 5.5.
And, as for 7.0, it seems that clean installs and updated scripts have
reduced the number of problems reported.
7.0 will work fine for 99.999% of users in the near term.
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