Hey guys, I know XE/Michael personally-- he's devoted almost all of his free time (for years) improving player experiences with Counter-Strike: Source. There's absolutely no way a real cheat is involved here. Unless his account was stolen/masqueraded by someone and means unknown to him, this is a false positive.
As a plugin developer, this is really scary-- developers need to be able to work on their plugins without fear of losing all of their Steam games (and having to make a plea against their reputation). Since the Steam support groups are wildly unsympathetic for these cases, it would be tremendous help if someone from Valve could forward this thread internally to help us track down how this false positive was caused. It would prevent a lot of confusion if we could pin down what actually caused this specific VAC ban. I can't imagine this would be anything triggered by EventScripts (or we'd have a lot more bans), but if it's caused by the GunGame Utils plugin or something similar, the community needs to understand this risk and change their processes accordingly. Thanks for your understanding, -Mattie Olly wrote: > I HIGHLY doubt that this is possible. Almost every plugin I have ever > written gets basic info like player locations. > Either this is just another excuse to try and get unbanned, or you have > found a hash collision (maybe they use MD5. But still VERY unlikely). Either > way, there is no use posting here, no-one can do anything about it. Open a > steam support ticket like every other person that gets banned. > > 2008/11/5 ZuM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Yes, you can't get banned for custom Skins, and that's why theres the >> server >> command sv_pure, so only players with all default assets can play on these >> servers. >> >> Probably there's some odd thing going on with VAC or with some of the >> plugins being used, so VAC thinks that it's a cheat. >> >> Do your plugin get info where other players are located or anything like >> that? Pherhaps some of this could be the problem. >> >> 2008/11/5 Olly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>> You can't get banned for skins, or any other customizations (unless of >>> course the 'customizations' were packaged in a file that included a cheat >>> know by VAC) >>> So your friend probably used the oldest excuse in the book... and you >>> >> fell >> >>> for it ¬¬ >>> >>> 2008/11/5 Tiago Conceição <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >>> >>>> Michael Barr do you use Skins? >>>> I know guys banned by VAC because use of Skins (weapons or models) from >>>> FPSbanana >>>> 1 by replace all weapons skins, and other guy by only use a knife skin> >>>> Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2008 08:59:37 +0000> From: >>>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> To: [email protected]> Subject: Re: [hlcoders] WARNING: >>>> >>> VAC >>> >>>> may be banning developers by misdetecting server plugins as cheats.> > >>>> >>> Since >>> >>>> VAC appears to work on a checksum basis, unless you somehow > >>>> >>> inadvertently >>> >>>> recreated one of these checksums (And valve were using > something like >>>> CRC/MD5), I highly doubt server plugins would ever cause > this. I've >>>> >>> played >>> >>>> countless games of TF2 with server plugins loaded and > i'm still "VAC >>>> Status: In Good Standing"> > Minh wrote:> > hmm. interesting dilemna. I >>>> imagine it must be hard for the VAC > > developers to determine what >>>> scripts/plugins are considered "cheats" and > > which are not. So were >>>> >>> the >>> >>>> EventScripts the only plugins you were > > running at the time?> >> > >>>> Michael Barr wrote:> > > >> Hey guys,> >>> >> I'm seriously worried >>>> >> that >> >>> VAC >>> >>>> is misdetecting server plugins and banning> >> developers-- perhaps >>>> >> when >> >>> the >>> >>>> plugins are loaded from listen servers> >> inadvertantly.> >>> >> My >>>> >> name >> >>> is >>> >>>> Michael Barr, also known in the community as XE_ManUp. I'm no> >> >>>> >> griefer >> >>> or >>> >>>> hacker-- I'm the lead developer of GunGame5, the latest version> >> of >>>> GunGame for the Source Engine. I have been a great supporter of VAC, >>>> >> and> >> >>>> I absolutely love the idea that if a player gets caught cheating, they >>>> >>> get> >>> >>>>>> banned to avoid annoying other players. I have heard of players >>>>>> >>> getting> >>> >>>>>> banned for "no reason" and I've been a great skeptic of that in the >>>>>> >>>> past.> >>> >> Yet, somehow, after a weekend of GunGame testing (with >>>> >> the >> >>>> EventScripts and> >> GunGame Utils addons loaded), I was banned by VAC. >>>> Without ever using any> >> sort of cheat of any type, nor even knowing >>>> anything about cheats. Per the> >> Steam forums, there's always some >>>> (unlikely) chance that the account got> >> "hijacked" or "hacked", but >>>> there's no indication that ever happened. I'm> >> the only person to >>>> >> use >> >>> any >>> >>>> of my machines and no other gamers live with me.> >> I've discussed >>>> >> with >> >>>> other plugin developers, and the most likely cause would> >> be VAC >>>> misdetecting the loaded server plugins as being associated with a> >> >>>> cheat.> >>> >> Ideally, a Valve developer would help me figure out >>>> >>> whether >>> >>>> these plugins> >> caused an erroneous VAC ban. But right now, I need to >>>> >>> warn >>> >>>> developers not to> >> load server plugins on their listen servers >>>> >> because >> >>>> they might accidentally> >> be detected by VAC-- thereby ruining your >>>> >>> Steam >>> >>>> account like mine has been.> >>> >>> >> -Michael Barr (aka XE_ManUp)> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________> >> To unsubscribe, >>>> >> edit >> >>>> your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> >> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders> >>> >>> >> > >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________> > To unsubscribe, >>>>>>> >>> edit >>> >>>> your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> > >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders> >> >> > > > >>>> _______________________________________________> To unsubscribe, edit >>>> >>> your >>> >>>> list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit:> >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders> >>>> _________________________________________________________________ >>>> Conheça o Windows Live Spaces, a rede de relacionamentos do Messenger! >>>> http://www.amigosdomessenger.com.br/ >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>>> please visit: >>>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >>> please visit: >>> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >>> >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders > > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlcoders
