With msleeper on this. Valve should test the heck out of this stuff in house more. I'd rather them delay a few days and release good stuff... But that's not how they work. I've gotten used to whenever I get the text alert about a "required update" to plan to have the rest of my evening shot in the foot.
I would like to get the sv_region thing fixed... It seemed prior to this update that when I used the appropriate sv region I got far fewer "out of area" players than I do now... Either way I appreciate the fixes. On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 2:21 PM, msleeper <[email protected]> wrote: > Yeah I agree. Here we are, back on the "omfg teh beta" argument. As > Violent Crimes (lol) and SmOoThEm said, the fact that there are issues > with updates isn't anything new to anyone. So I don't know why it is > such a surprise or people cause such an uproar when yet another update > has some minor problems. > > >From here, it looks like everything is fixed more or less. I would be > interested in some official word why sv_region was breaking lobby > compatibility and/or if we should just permanently remove that variable > from our configs if it will not be in use any more. But everything seems > to be working, and the defunct fork bug seems to have been fixed as well > which makes me jump for joy. > > > On Thu, 2009-10-01 at 13:57 -0400, f7 f0rkz wrote: >> Then they would have beta clients used to test these servers... >> >> I think its a can of worms to do a beta though... At least they fixed some >> of the problems in a relatively fast manner. Give them a day or so and I am >> sure things will be back to normal and everyone will be happy. >> >> On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 1:40 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> > Beta updates make sense for dedicated-server-only fixes... however just >> > about every patch also includes balance and/or client-affecting fixes - you >> > can't test them with a server beta test >> > >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: [email protected] [mailto:hlds- >> > > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Keeper >> > > Sent: 01 October 2009 18:37 >> > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead Update Available >> > > >> > > Why should they? They have a way to let server operators and players >> > > update >> > > almost instantaneously. With the way the steam platform works, we >> > > become >> > > their unpaid QA group. It is a headache for GSPs as well as individual >> > > server operators, but is anybody losing money over it? If not, then I >> > > can >> > > see why they would be hesitant to change their business model. >> > > >> > > Look at it this way, and I know a lot of people are different, I bought >> > > HL2DM when it first came out. I haven't purchased another steam game >> > > since >> > > then. Yet I still play that game every night. Valve isn't making any >> > > money >> > > off of me. They don't make any money off the server operators either. >> > > >> > > Personally, I think it's a horrible way to do business ... but that >> > > would be >> > > more from a pride standpoint than a business model. >> > > >> > > Keeper >> > > -----Original Message----- >> > > From: SmOoThEm [mailto:[email protected]] >> > > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 1:04 PM >> > > To: 'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list' >> > > Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead Update Available >> > > >> > > In response to Violent Crimes and his post: >> > > >> > > This has been a major complaint for years now, valve makes all kinds of >> > > changes and must release multi patches to fix the original patch all at >> > > the >> > > expense of the server owners. I'm glad we all have nothing better to do >> > > but >> > > update and troubleshoot valves broken patch updates all night long. >> > > It's >> > > become a regular routine fighting just to get our servers online let >> > > alone >> > > worry about sourcemod or plugin issues because of changes and updates >> > > nobody >> > > was prepared for. They remove cvars, change gameplay, introduce bugs, >> > > and >> > > piss a lot of people off every update with the slew of problems that >> > > always >> > > seem to follow. >> > > Once again I make my own plea, I would recommend you guys do the same. >> > > >> > > PLEASE VALVE, GIVE US BETA TESTING! >> > > >> > > You do so for steam client updates and such, it could be done for other >> > > products too. >> > > Give the server owners a break, allow us the chance to test updates and >> > > changes to FIND your bugs before it hits the masses and creates major >> > > problems. >> > > >> > > SmOoThEm >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > > please visit: >> > > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please > visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds > _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
