And if they had released the release notes *before* the code went live, mod authors would have time to update their mods so that when the release goes live, we already have updated mods compatible with the release. Heaven forbid that Valve would release a beta so the mod authors could actually have live code to test their mods against...but that appears to be a bit of a can of worms around here for some reason.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jonah Hirsch" <[email protected]> To: "Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 3:44 PM Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead Update Available > In lieu of QA, there should at least be, like I stated before, COMPLETE > release notes. If there are problems, usually the release notes can help. > For example, in the case of Sourcemod. I'm not saying Valve should test > Sourcemod, I'm saying that IF valve had published all the release notes, > there wouldn't have been such a problem getting Sourcemod to be > compatible. > Jonah Hirsch > ----------------------- > > > On Thu, Oct 1, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Ook <[email protected]> wrote: > >> It's not so much that devs are not so good at testing their own code. >> I've >> been writing code for 20 years, and I can test my code as well as the >> next >> person can. It's that we don't have the time to spend 10 hours testing a >> code change that only took us 20 minutes to make. I code it, I perform >> basic >> tests to make sure I didn't do something stupid, and I send it to the QA >> department to spend the next 10 hours testing the entire system to make >> sure >> I didn't break anything. We get paid to code - let someone who gets paid >> half as much as us spend their day testing code. It is a really stupid >> business practice to rely on devs to test code changes. >> >> In Valve's case, the devs perform preliminary testing and then they >> publish >> it to the world to let us, the QA team aka customers test it :) >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Keeper" <[email protected]> >> To: "'Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list'" >> <[email protected]> >> Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 2:11 PM >> Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead Update Available >> >> >> > Agreed. 100% >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Midnight [mailto:[email protected]] >> > Sent: Thursday, October 01, 2009 5:04 PM >> > To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [hlds] Left 4 Dead Update Available >> > >> > This is why software companies have QA teams, Developers are not good >> > at >> > finding bugs since they are too close to their own code. >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> > please visit: >> > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, >> please visit: >> http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds >> > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, > please visit: > http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: http://list.valvesoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/hlds
