I am strictly opposed to opening the MOTD to display an ad in the middle of the round, as is Pinion. I am also firmly opposed to servers “imposing undesired files on clients”, as is Valve, which is why there’s an option to block custom server downloads.
I am, however, in favor of the right of servers to deny you from playing based on your blockage of advertisements or custom files. I don’t like it, but I’m in favor of the right. Doctor McKay http://www.doctormckay.com From: Mart-Jan Reeuwijk Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2013 6:39 PM To: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list Subject: Re: [hlds] Alias & Existing Commands Hmm, I can think of several: - Slot protection for x time (not getting kicked for making space for paying slots) - "count" system, where after X views the user gets a slot for x days. - access to things like "rocketme" commands, while it doesn't do good (or bad) for a game, it gives fun. Etc, there are plenty of things one can think of that is non-intrusive on the game, but can give added value to a player. Benefits: - Ads will be perceived in a better light, instead they would look at those as a addition, instead of a intrusion. - people not wanting it can leave out. - it builds towards the community. And btw: the advert plugin config allows to push out the MOTD again after 20 minutes... so mid-game you can get them pushed in your face again while you are in a fight. To be honest, I would like to propose that the client does NOT report to the server anymore that the MOTD was closed. Don't see any purpose in that anyways. I'm not against opening the MOTD for other reasons (people using backpack viewer, and other plugins to show specific content in-game after user initializing it via chat commands etc.). Tho pushing it out at random while in-game is a bigger "NO". ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: James Haikin <[email protected]> To: Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected]>; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 23:11 Subject: Re: [hlds] Alias & Existing Commands Funny story: you actually catch more flies with vinegar. Any 'reward' system I can think of would result in a lopsided/broken game. However, I also think that trying to punish people is kind of a terrible idea. I don't think there's really a solution for this. -James On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 12:47 PM, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected]> wrote: And I don't believe that a server should demand that ppl have the MOTD enabled, while this is a directly accessible feature to set under the options in-game. Too many advert providers nowadays are the real threat to browsers. To demand to have adverts directed to "unsecure" browsers which cannot be protected by plugins like NoScript is insane. Also, the abuse of such by server owners, and their willingness to do so, makes it a requirement to be able to guard oneself against such. Having a plugin that kicks ppl that haven't viewed the MOTD by someone that has it disabled (which can be for various reasons: crashing, no annoying screens, etc) is therefore not some I would support. Which is what the blocking of the MOTD closed command is about. While I appreciate that Valve has solved some problems with the MOTD not showing, I didn't notice a "fix" against crashing the client from those. But as I didn't follow all updates regarding that, I might have missed some. I disabled the MOTD back in 2008, for it crashed my client on various servers. I never saw a valid reason to enable it again. Maybe you should make a plugin that "rewards" ppl that actually watch that MOTD instead of punishing the ones that block it. Altho with above security issues, that is a risk ppl should take themselves. The reward can be simply checked with a number shown in MOTD corner, and ask for it in the plugin on the server for example. You catch more flies with honey than vinegar. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> To: Mart-Jan Reeuwijk <[email protected]>; Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 20:40 Subject: Re: [hlds] Alias & Existing Commands Exploits that allow servers to execute arbitrary client commands (not those specifically tagged as server can execute) have been fixed. There's no need to block commands. I personally believe that blocking servers from receiving the MOTD closed notification should not be possible, which is what many people are doing with the alias command. Dr. McKay http://www.doctormckay.com On 2013-02-05 11:19, Mart-Jan Reeuwijk wrote: > no need to restart the game. > > alias jpeg; // aliasing the jpeg command, which is used to make a screenshot. > cmd jpeg // this will still make a screenshot. > > I use it (alias over a existing convar/command) to prevent some > servers sending my client some commands I don't want changed on my > client. Examples have been that servers tried to upload screenshots up > to their servers etc. > > Already have to disable steam overlay & MOTD for some malicious stuff > on some servers (I explore on others by time and while) > > So I really wouldn't want it being blocked, for that leaves too much > open. There is no need for a restart, and imo its not a "bug", I treat > it like a prized feature. > >> ------------------------- >> FROM: Saul Rennison <[email protected]> >> TO: Half-Life dedicated Win32 server mailing list <[email protected]> >> SENT: Tuesday, 5 February 2013, 14:31 >> SUBJECT: Re: [hlds] Alias & Existing Commands >> >> This has been fixed in a few engine branches (CSGO definitely) as far as I know. >> >> On Tuesday, 5 February 2013, Joseph Miller wrote: >> >>> Is it by design that it's possible to make an alias over the top of an existing command? In the event that you accidentally make an alias over an existing command, you have to completely restart the game, whereas it seems like you shouldn't be able to overwrite an existing command in the first place. >> >> -- >> >> Kind regards,Saul Rennison >> >> _______________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: >> https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds [1] > > > Links: > ------ > [1] https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds > > _______________________________________________ > To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list > archives, please visit: > https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ To unsubscribe, edit your list preferences, or view the list archives, please visit: https://list.valvesoftware.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/hlds
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