Dear Mahadeswara ji , Thanks for appreciation Regards Taffazull
On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:30:17 AM UTC+5:30 Mahadeswara wrote: > Great Garg ji ! > > On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:42:47 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: > >> Thanks, Taffazull ji, for great details and analysis. >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J. M. Garg >> On Thu, 5 Jan, 2023, 3:19 pm [email protected], <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Sorry clicked the post button inadvertently >>> Prolate pollen is rather unusual in Nonea sp for in a study of 8 *Nonea >>> *species only one had prolate pollen grains rest had subprolate >>> (spherical with pointed ends)(See attached table). Though microscopic >>> appearance of pollen grains is not diagnostic it can certainly rule out a >>> candidate if the morphology is different >>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:01:57 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >>> wrote: >>> >>>> *POLLEN* >>>> Am posting photos of pollen grains which I got by teasing the anthers >>>> on a glass slide with a pin. I managed to take the photos with a cheap >>>> "Students Microscope" to which I have added an oil immersion lens and my >>>> entry level digital camera (Sony DSC-W830). I think photos of pollen >>>> grains are a first for eflora >>>> as I have never seen them before. The pollen grains are prolate(cigar >>>> shaped) with a single longitudinal furrow (sulcus) running from pole to >>>> pole (monosulcate.) >>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:46:33 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Photo of Anthers >>>>> >>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:44:55 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *Anthers* >>>>>> 5 stamens inserted in the corolla tube just below the throat (Three >>>>>> are visible in the photo). The stalk by which they are >>>>>> attached(filament) >>>>>> is very short. >>>>>> Peering from above one can see the anthers only in the intact flower. >>>>>> In this feature it resembles *Nonea. *They are brownish yellow (see >>>>>> photo) >>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+5:30 >>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>> Thanks for the comment about FOP. Unfortunately their sketch does >>>>>>> not show calyx. In fact they must have followed Kazimi the most >>>>>>> towering >>>>>>> authority there. >>>>>>> Need expert opinion on this >>>>>>> Here are more details about corolla >>>>>>> *Corolla:* >>>>>>> Corolla is very delicately attached to the flower and in two of them >>>>>>> fell down as I was examining the calyx. >>>>>>> The corolla is approximately infundibuliform (like an inverted >>>>>>> bell).The lobes are very small about 1-1.5 mm as is visible from the >>>>>>> photo' >>>>>>> The tube has a slight sinuous bend at the bottom (See photo). As I >>>>>>> will show in a subsequent post the style is very short and must remain >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> the bend. >>>>>>> I speculate that this would be to avoid self pollination as the >>>>>>> anthers are just below the throat. Indulging in further speculation one >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> surmise that the peculiar shape of the corolla suggests that the >>>>>>> pollinator >>>>>>> might be a moth or butterfly with a long proboscis which can descend to >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> bottom of the tube. >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 11:58:53 AM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazul ji. >>>>>>>> But Flora of Pakistan >>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250084488> >>>>>>>> says about *Nonea edgeworthii* A. DC. in DC. as 'Calyx 6-7 mm >>>>>>>> long, up to 10 mm in fruit, dense hairy; lobes linear' >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 at 17:43, [email protected] <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> *A Surprising fact about the calyx* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regarding the calyx Kazmi in his authoritative work writes under >>>>>>>>> the heading *Nonea Medicus ,Philos .Bot.1:31.1789.:* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> "Calyx 5-fid , shortly or for ½ of its length, never divided to >>>>>>>>> the base, enlarged in fruit.." >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> (SMA Kazimi : A Revision Of The Boraginaceae of West Pakistan And >>>>>>>>> Kashmir(1971), Journal of Arnold Arboretum,pp670-71.). >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I had fortunately two flowers left in the plant I had transferred >>>>>>>>> to the planter. I reexamined the calyx and found it is divided to >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> base. This is also evident in the fruit. (See photos).It thus seems >>>>>>>>> to me >>>>>>>>> that it is either a sub genus or something different. Would request >>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>> opinion of experts. Many features resemble the genus *Nonea >>>>>>>>> *including >>>>>>>>> position of anthers, gynobasic very short style morphology and >>>>>>>>> attachment >>>>>>>>> of nutlet which I will put in a subsequent post. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/68365947-d8b4-4d1b-a45a-166a263eb8ccn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/68365947-d8b4-4d1b-a45a-166a263eb8ccn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> >> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ce955ce5-c503-42d2-ae6e-7344e51ab3ebn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ce955ce5-c503-42d2-ae6e-7344e51ab3ebn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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