Ok, Taffazul ji -- With regards, J. M. Garg On Sun, 8 Jan, 2023, 1:20 pm [email protected], <[email protected]> wrote:
> A photo of a herbarium specimen of *N.edgeworthii *A.DC. is available at > gbif.org under creative commons (No Copyright) licence. This specimen has > fruits a photo of which is attached below.(Attribution : "02910584.tif" - > Nonea edgeworthii A.DC. collected in Pakistan. (licensed under > http://creativecommons.org/publicdomain/zero/1.0/). > <https://www.gbif.org/occurrence/2235964880> (see Photo2) > > The fruits in which the calyx is enlarged clearly show a calyx in which > the lobes are joined and individual lobes can only be seen in the upper > part(See photo2). > > This is in accord with Kazmi's assertion for Genus *Nonea "Calyx 5-fid , > shortly or for ½ of its length, never divided to the base, enlarged in > fruit.."* > > This is as different from the calyx in the fruits of my herb as chalk from > cheese. In the calyx of my herb the lobes are divided to the base.(See > photo 1). > > Comparision with the herbarium specimen of *N.edgeworthii * A.DC. puts > all doubts to rest and conclusively establishes that my herb: > 1. Is not *N.edgeworthii * A.DC. > 2'. It does not belong to genus *Nonea* as the calyx lobes are divided > to the base. However based on morphology of seeds and flowers it is > closely related to *Nonea Medicus .* > It can be confidently asserted that it is a novel member of the > Boraginaceae family of which this is the first report from the Kashmir > Valley. > With regards > Taffazull > > On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 4:00:54 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] > wrote: > >> Dear Mahadeswara ji , >> Thanks for appreciation >> Regards >> Taffazull >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Friday, January 6, 2023 at 9:30:17 AM UTC+5:30 Mahadeswara wrote: >> >>> Great Garg ji ! >>> >>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:42:47 PM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>> >>>> Thanks, Taffazull ji, for great details and analysis. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> With regards, >>>> J. M. Garg >>>> On Thu, 5 Jan, 2023, 3:19 pm [email protected], <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sorry clicked the post button inadvertently >>>>> Prolate pollen is rather unusual in Nonea sp for in a study of 8 *Nonea >>>>> *species only one had prolate pollen grains rest had subprolate >>>>> (spherical with pointed ends)(See attached table). Though microscopic >>>>> appearance of pollen grains is not diagnostic it can certainly rule out a >>>>> candidate if the morphology is different >>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 3:01:57 PM UTC+5:30 [email protected] >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> *POLLEN* >>>>>> Am posting photos of pollen grains which I got by teasing the anthers >>>>>> on a glass slide with a pin. I managed to take the photos with a cheap >>>>>> "Students Microscope" to which I have added an oil immersion lens and my >>>>>> entry level digital camera (Sony DSC-W830). I think photos of pollen >>>>>> grains are a first for eflora >>>>>> as I have never seen them before. The pollen grains are prolate(cigar >>>>>> shaped) with a single longitudinal furrow (sulcus) running from pole to >>>>>> pole (monosulcate.) >>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:46:33 PM UTC+5:30 >>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Photo of Anthers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:44:55 PM UTC+5:30 >>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Anthers* >>>>>>>> 5 stamens inserted in the corolla tube just below the throat >>>>>>>> (Three are visible in the photo). The stalk by which they are >>>>>>>> attached(filament) is very short. >>>>>>>> Peering from above one can see the anthers only in the intact >>>>>>>> flower. In this feature it resembles *Nonea. *They are brownish >>>>>>>> yellow (see photo) >>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 2:30:27 PM UTC+5:30 >>>>>>>> [email protected] wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Garg ji, >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the comment about FOP. Unfortunately their sketch does >>>>>>>>> not show calyx. In fact they must have followed Kazimi the most >>>>>>>>> towering >>>>>>>>> authority there. >>>>>>>>> Need expert opinion on this >>>>>>>>> Here are more details about corolla >>>>>>>>> *Corolla:* >>>>>>>>> Corolla is very delicately attached to the flower and in two of >>>>>>>>> them fell down as I was examining the calyx. >>>>>>>>> The corolla is approximately infundibuliform (like an inverted >>>>>>>>> bell).The lobes are very small about 1-1.5 mm as is visible from the >>>>>>>>> photo' >>>>>>>>> The tube has a slight sinuous bend at the bottom (See photo). As I >>>>>>>>> will show in a subsequent post the style is very short and must >>>>>>>>> remain in >>>>>>>>> the bend. >>>>>>>>> I speculate that this would be to avoid self pollination as the >>>>>>>>> anthers are just below the throat. Indulging in further speculation >>>>>>>>> one can >>>>>>>>> surmise that the peculiar shape of the corolla suggests that the >>>>>>>>> pollinator >>>>>>>>> might be a moth or butterfly with a long proboscis which can descend >>>>>>>>> to the >>>>>>>>> bottom of the tube. >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Taffazull >>>>>>>>> On Thursday, January 5, 2023 at 11:58:53 AM UTC+5:30 JM Garg wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, Taffazul ji. >>>>>>>>>> But Flora of Pakistan >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250084488> >>>>>>>>>> says about *Nonea edgeworthii* A. DC. in DC. as 'Calyx 6-7 mm >>>>>>>>>> long, up to 10 mm in fruit, dense hairy; lobes linear' >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 at 17:43, [email protected] < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *A Surprising fact about the calyx* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regarding the calyx Kazmi in his authoritative work writes under >>>>>>>>>>> the heading *Nonea Medicus ,Philos .Bot.1:31.1789.:* >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Calyx 5-fid , shortly or for ½ of its length, never divided to >>>>>>>>>>> the base, enlarged in fruit.." >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> (SMA Kazimi : A Revision Of The Boraginaceae of West Pakistan >>>>>>>>>>> And Kashmir(1971), Journal of Arnold Arboretum,pp670-71.). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I had fortunately two flowers left in the plant I had >>>>>>>>>>> transferred to the planter. I reexamined the calyx and found it is >>>>>>>>>>> divided >>>>>>>>>>> to the base. This is also evident in the fruit. (See photos).It >>>>>>>>>>> thus >>>>>>>>>>> seems to me that it is either a sub genus or something different. >>>>>>>>>>> Would >>>>>>>>>>> request the opinion of experts. Many features resemble the genus >>>>>>>>>>> *Nonea >>>>>>>>>>> *including position of anthers, gynobasic very short style >>>>>>>>>>> morphology and attachment of nutlet which I will put in a >>>>>>>>>>> subsequent post. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/68365947-d8b4-4d1b-a45a-166a263eb8ccn%40googlegroups.com >>>>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/68365947-d8b4-4d1b-a45a-166a263eb8ccn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> >>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ce955ce5-c503-42d2-ae6e-7344e51ab3ebn%40googlegroups.com >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ce955ce5-c503-42d2-ae6e-7344e51ab3ebn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "eFloraofIndia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/d7cf89f7-8733-4f84-9941-ecbcf505bef6n%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/d7cf89f7-8733-4f84-9941-ecbcf505bef6n%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "eFloraofIndia" group. 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