Thank you very much Surajit ji for the confirmation of the ID In Bengali locally its known as " Hazarmani " - so appropriate, isn't it ?
( Recently I am just observing which insects visit this herb and to my surprise they are many including butterflies, moths, bees, flies, bugs, ants and others still observing lets see ..) Also thanks a lot Ayush for the guidance - how to reduce the image size. Regards, -Rekha Shahane. On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 9:23 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Usha Di, > > Found two docs at http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21982793 and at > http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3326891/. > > Thank you and Regards, > > surajit > > > > On Sun, Oct 14, 2012 at 11:09 AM, ushadi Micromini < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> *So,,, dear all: >> tell me please which is really the BHUMIAMALAKI of AYURVEDIC MEDICINE? >> >> books mention and so does wiki that it is P. niruri... >> >> >> confused to the max... >> >> >> Usha di * >> >> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Vijayasankar Ji, >>> >>> Thank you again and again for another *Phyllanthus*. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Vijayasankar >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Rekha ji's pictures are of *Phyllanthus urinaria*, I think. The fruit >>>> surface is tuberculate (smooth in P. amarus), sepals 6 (5 in P. amarus). Of >>>> course leaf features are also different here. >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>> University of Mississippi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Rekha Shahane >>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>> >>>>> The mail bounced so photo attached >>>>> and pl. confirm the ID >>>>> Its P. amarus or a different sp.? >>>>> Regards, >>>>> -Rekha Shahane. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Rekha Shahane <[email protected] >>>>> > wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I am forwarding a mail with three photograph and believe its the same >>>>>> plant >>>>>> and if so, one can see flowers and fruits together in one of the >>>>>> photo. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> -Rekha. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Me too >>>>>>> Am impressed >>>>>>> knew you dont give up >>>>>>> good for you, Surajit >>>>>>> good for us >>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>> PS AND THANKS to Vijaya for the initial impetus >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ========== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>> Thank you very very very much for the endless support. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks for the ID confirmation Surajit ji. >>>>>>>>> I really appreciate your keen interest and devotion. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> SORRY VIJAY SIR, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I did a big mistake, took wrong interpretation of the term >>>>>>>>>> "terete stem". >>>>>>>>>> This is *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. >>>>>>>>>> Attaching some more new pics taken today (12/10/12) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Many many thanks Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I regret that the doc is not accessible to common people. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> The following paper includes keys and descriptions of both the >>>>>>>>>>>> species: >>>>>>>>>>>> A Revision of Phyllanthus (Euphorbiaceae) in the Continental >>>>>>>>>>>> United States <http://www.jstor.org/stable/2805721> >>>>>>>>>>>> Grady L. Webster >>>>>>>>>>>> Brittonia<http://www.jstor.org/action/showPublication?journalCode=brittonia>Vol. >>>>>>>>>>>> 22, No. 1 (Jan. - Mar., 1970), pp. 44-76 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you once again Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Documents are saying that *P. niruri* L. is not found in >>>>>>>>>>>>> India. >>>>>>>>>>>>> If i could find some morphological description of *P. niruri* >>>>>>>>>>>>> L.! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please check this paper: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/view/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> It answers most of your questions. As you can see, leaf >>>>>>>>>>>>>> character is important, but also features of flowers, fruits >>>>>>>>>>>>>> etc. to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>> considered for correct diagnosis. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I still think your plant is Phyllanthus amarus. But, let's >>>>>>>>>>>>>> hear from others too... >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please also see the poster published by FRLHT...available at >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/files >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I was digging a bit more on *P. niruri* L. and *P. amarus* >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Schum. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> & Thonn. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I found a number of papers on medicinal properties of *P. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> niruri* L., published by CSIR, some of those are recent >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publications - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/4539 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.csircentral.net/index.php/record/view/18194 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. without using L. or Linn. - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/3400 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *P. niruri* L. in other sites - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actual/Phyllanthus-vol-19-iss-3.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/phyllanthus-niruri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/AlexanderDecker/11protective-effect-of-phyllanthus-niruri-on-dmba-croton-oil-mediated-carcinogenic-response-and-oxidative-damage-in-accordance-to-histopathological-studies-in-skin-of-mice >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> At the same time i kept in my mind what i learned in group >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> threads, that *P. niruri* L. doesn't occur in India, even >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> though it had been mentioned in "THE USEFUL PLANTS OF >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> INDIA" ( CSIR publication ). So, i searched more on * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phyllanthus* species - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Google directed me to an ebook, *"Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Species: Scientific Evaluation and Medicinal Applications" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (By Ramadasan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Kuttan, K. B. Harikumar)* that supports the claim. The >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> same book also describes *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thonn. I copy a few words -* *".... leaf blade 5-9 x 2-4 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mm, oblong, obtuse at both ends...." = page 26 & 27 = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ordQCHqPy9gC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Phyllanthus+niruri+L+species+description&source=bl&ots=i1nPFFuQLy&sig=k06juMKogPFUEK3Puul3nL99k84&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yfF2UOuPB8yqrAfw0IGoCA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Phyllanthus%20niruri%20L%20species%20description&f=false >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Another document describes *Phyllanthus spp.* in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Tiruchirappalli district. I copy a few words on *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amarus* Schum. & Thonn. = ".... stem terete, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hispidulous, ... leaf tip rounded..." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/viewFile/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. in - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. FoC = Leaves distichous; stipules linear or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> linear-lanceolate, green; petioles ca. 0.5 mm; leaf blade >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> oblong or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, 3-8 × 2-4.5 mm, membranous or thinly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> papery, base >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rounded, apex obtuse or rounded and often apiculate = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. FoP = Similar to Phyllanthus fraternus, but >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> completely glabrous, foliage-leaves smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mm), oblong = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. *Phyllanthus fraternus* Webster in FoP = leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, 5-13 x 1.5-5 mm, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> obtuse >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or rounded at apex and base = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whom should i follow for the ID of my species? I think my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> species doesn't have terete stem, not sure about apices of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:55 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if it is *Phyllanthus amarus* then FoC and FoP both >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are not much reliable source, specially for leaf sizes, more >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> evident in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> grass & *Sesbania* uploads. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice pictures Surajit ji! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your visit to the pond might have surprised the young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Varanus! Please tell him/her you were clicking *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amarus. * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Searched for *Phyllanthus niruri* L. and found :- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ".... There is no confusion regarding *P. niruri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't occur in India*. *All plants which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier called in that name are belong to (and to be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> called as) P. amarus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *, as we all know...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/uRuNBBRR_3k/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. *P. amarus* in FoP = ".... Similar to Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraternus, but completely glabrous, *foliage-leaves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm)*, oblong...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. *P. amarus* in FoC = " ...... leaf blade oblong >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> or elliptic-oblong, *3-8 × 2-4.5 mm*.........." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. " ............ *P. fraternus has 6 tepals* and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic/obovate leaves will have a narrowed base....... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/1x7grsFDm6Q/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. *P. fraternus* in FoP = "........ leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, *5-13 x >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1.5-5 mm*..." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ".... *Phyllanthus fraternus (syn: P. niruri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hook.f. (non Linn.), quite distinct from P. amarus in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger leaves, 6 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perianth, 6-10 lobed disc*............ " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/vFK2qO-sz18/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. another group post = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xpGcxOGpkJI/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/49hDzECkogE/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. yet another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/c_6anbyYgoc/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. In FoI = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Gulf%20Leaf-Flower.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit & Habitat : wild herb, both branched and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unbranched, very common on roadside, waste places; height >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about 1 foot or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more; leaves = 10mm x 5 mm (image no. DSCN1627.jpg); tepals >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = 5 (image >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no. DSCN1635.jpg) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 8-Sept-12, 2.00 p.m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as i was recording these images a young water >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_monitor> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> waiting for me! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Usha di >>>>>>> =========== >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Usha di >> =========== >> >> > --
