Me too Am impressed knew you dont give up good for you, Surajit good for us usha di PS AND THANKS to Vijaya for the initial impetus
========== On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, > Thank you very very very much for the endless support. > > Regards, > surajit > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Thanks for the ID confirmation Surajit ji. >> I really appreciate your keen interest and devotion. >> >> Regards >> >> Vijayasankar Raman >> National Center for Natural Products Research >> University of Mississippi >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> SORRY VIJAY SIR, >>> >>> I did a big mistake, took wrong interpretation of the term "terete stem". >>> This is *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. >>> Attaching some more new pics taken today (12/10/12) >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Many many thanks Vijayasankar Ji. >>>> >>>> I regret that the doc is not accessible to common people. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Vijayasankar <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> The following paper includes keys and descriptions of both the species: >>>>> A Revision of Phyllanthus (Euphorbiaceae) in the Continental United >>>>> States <http://www.jstor.org/stable/2805721> >>>>> Grady L. Webster >>>>> Brittonia<http://www.jstor.org/action/showPublication?journalCode=brittonia>Vol. >>>>> 22, No. 1 (Jan. - Mar., 1970), pp. 44-76 >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you once again Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>> Documents are saying that *P. niruri* L. is not found in India. >>>>>> If i could find some morphological description of *P. niruri* L.! >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Surajit ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please check this paper: >>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/view/6070/3109 >>>>>>> It answers most of your questions. As you can see, leaf character is >>>>>>> important, but also features of flowers, fruits etc. to be considered >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> correct diagnosis. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I still think your plant is Phyllanthus amarus. But, let's hear from >>>>>>> others too... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Please also see the poster published by FRLHT...available at >>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/files >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I was digging a bit more on *P. niruri* L. and *P. amarus* Schum. >>>>>>>> & Thonn. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I found a number of papers on medicinal properties of *P. niruri* L., >>>>>>>> published by CSIR, some of those are recent publications - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/4539 >>>>>>>> 2. http://www.csircentral.net/index.php/record/view/18194 >>>>>>>> 3. without using L. or Linn. - >>>>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/3400 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *P. niruri* L. in other sites - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>> http://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actual/Phyllanthus-vol-19-iss-3.html >>>>>>>> 2. http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/phyllanthus-niruri >>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/AlexanderDecker/11protective-effect-of-phyllanthus-niruri-on-dmba-croton-oil-mediated-carcinogenic-response-and-oxidative-damage-in-accordance-to-histopathological-studies-in-skin-of-mice >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the same time i kept in my mind what i learned in group threads, >>>>>>>> that *P. niruri* L. doesn't occur in India, even though it had >>>>>>>> been mentioned in "THE USEFUL PLANTS OF INDIA" ( CSIR publication >>>>>>>> ). So, i searched more on *Phyllanthus* species - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. Google directed me to an ebook, *"Phyllanthus Species: >>>>>>>> Scientific Evaluation and Medicinal Applications" (By Ramadasan >>>>>>>> Kuttan, K. >>>>>>>> B. Harikumar)* that supports the claim. The same book also >>>>>>>> describes *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. I copy a few >>>>>>>> words -* *".... leaf blade 5-9 x 2-4 mm, oblong, obtuse at both >>>>>>>> ends...." = page 26 & 27 = >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ordQCHqPy9gC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Phyllanthus+niruri+L+species+description&source=bl&ots=i1nPFFuQLy&sig=k06juMKogPFUEK3Puul3nL99k84&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yfF2UOuPB8yqrAfw0IGoCA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Phyllanthus%20niruri%20L%20species%20description&f=false >>>>>>>> 2. Another document describes *Phyllanthus spp.* in >>>>>>>> Tiruchirappalli district. I copy a few words on *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>> amarus* Schum. & Thonn. = ".... stem terete, hispidulous, ... >>>>>>>> leaf tip rounded..." = >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/viewFile/6070/3109 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. in - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 1. FoC = Leaves distichous; stipules linear or >>>>>>>> linear-lanceolate, green; petioles ca. 0.5 mm; leaf blade oblong or >>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, 3-8 × 2-4.5 mm, membranous or thinly papery, base >>>>>>>> rounded, apex obtuse or rounded and often apiculate = >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>> 2. FoP = Similar to Phyllanthus fraternus, but completely >>>>>>>> glabrous, foliage-leaves smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm), oblong = >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>> 3. *Phyllanthus fraternus* Webster in FoP = leaf-blades >>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, 5-13 x 1.5-5 mm, obtuse >>>>>>>> or rounded at apex and base = >>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Whom should i follow for the ID of my species? I think my species >>>>>>>> doesn't have terete stem, not sure about apices of leaves. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:55 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, if it is *Phyllanthus amarus* then FoC and FoP both are not >>>>>>>>> much reliable source, specially for leaf sizes, more evident in my >>>>>>>>> grass & >>>>>>>>> *Sesbania* uploads. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Nice pictures Surajit ji! >>>>>>>>>> Your visit to the pond might have surprised the young Varanus! >>>>>>>>>> Please tell him/her you were clicking *Phyllanthus amarus. * >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Searched for *Phyllanthus niruri* L. and found :- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. ".... There is no confusion regarding *P. niruri because >>>>>>>>>>> it doesn't occur in India*. *All plants which earlier called >>>>>>>>>>> in that name are belong to (and to be called as) P. amarus*, >>>>>>>>>>> as we all know...." = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/uRuNBBRR_3k/discussion >>>>>>>>>>> 2. *P. amarus* in FoP = ".... Similar to Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>> fraternus, but completely glabrous, *foliage-leaves smaller >>>>>>>>>>> (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm)*, oblong...." = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>> 3. *P. amarus* in FoC = " ...... leaf blade oblong or >>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, *3-8 × 2-4.5 mm*.........." = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>> 4. " ............ *P. fraternus has 6 tepals* and the >>>>>>>>>>> elliptic/obovate leaves will have a narrowed base....... " = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/1x7grsFDm6Q/discussion >>>>>>>>>>> 5. *P. fraternus* in FoP = "........ leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, *5-13 x 1.5-5 mm*..." >>>>>>>>>>> = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>> 6. ".... *Phyllanthus fraternus (syn: P. niruri Hook.f. (non >>>>>>>>>>> Linn.), quite distinct from P. amarus in larger leaves, 6 >>>>>>>>>>> perianth, 6-10 >>>>>>>>>>> lobed disc*............ " = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/vFK2qO-sz18/discussion >>>>>>>>>>> 7. another group post = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xpGcxOGpkJI/discussion >>>>>>>>>>> 8. another = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/49hDzECkogE/discussion >>>>>>>>>>> 9. yet another = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/c_6anbyYgoc/discussion >>>>>>>>>>> 10. In FoI = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Gulf%20Leaf-Flower.html >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>>> Habit & Habitat : wild herb, both branched and unbranched, very >>>>>>>>>>> common on roadside, waste places; height about 1 foot or more; >>>>>>>>>>> leaves = >>>>>>>>>>> 10mm x 5 mm (image no. DSCN1627.jpg); tepals = 5 (image no. >>>>>>>>>>> DSCN1635.jpg) >>>>>>>>>>> Date : 8-Sept-12, 2.00 p.m. >>>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Well, as i was recording these images a young water >>>>>>>>>>> monitor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_monitor>was waiting for >>>>>>>>>>> me! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- > > > > -- Usha di =========== --
