Rekha ji's pictures are of *Phyllanthus urinaria*, I think. The fruit surface is tuberculate (smooth in P. amarus), sepals 6 (5 in P. amarus). Of course leaf features are also different here.
Regards Vijayasankar Raman National Center for Natural Products Research University of Mississippi On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Rekha Shahane <[email protected]>wrote: > The mail bounced so photo attached > and pl. confirm the ID > Its P. amarus or a different sp.? > Regards, > -Rekha Shahane. > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Rekha Shahane <[email protected]>wrote: > >> I am forwarding a mail with three photograph and believe its the same >> plant >> and if so, one can see flowers and fruits together in one of the photo. >> Regards, >> -Rekha. >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM, ushadi Micromini < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Me too >>> Am impressed >>> knew you dont give up >>> good for you, Surajit >>> good for us >>> usha di >>> PS AND THANKS to Vijaya for the initial impetus >>> >>> ========== >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>> Thank you very very very much for the endless support. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Vijayasankar <[email protected] >>>> > wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks for the ID confirmation Surajit ji. >>>>> I really appreciate your keen interest and devotion. >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> >>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> SORRY VIJAY SIR, >>>>>> >>>>>> I did a big mistake, took wrong interpretation of the term "terete >>>>>> stem". >>>>>> This is *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. >>>>>> Attaching some more new pics taken today (12/10/12) >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Many many thanks Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I regret that the doc is not accessible to common people. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The following paper includes keys and descriptions of both the >>>>>>>> species: >>>>>>>> A Revision of Phyllanthus (Euphorbiaceae) in the Continental United >>>>>>>> States <http://www.jstor.org/stable/2805721> >>>>>>>> Grady L. Webster >>>>>>>> Brittonia<http://www.jstor.org/action/showPublication?journalCode=brittonia>Vol. >>>>>>>> 22, No. 1 (Jan. - Mar., 1970), pp. 44-76 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you once again Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>>>> Documents are saying that *P. niruri* L. is not found in India. >>>>>>>>> If i could find some morphological description of *P. niruri* L.! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit ji, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please check this paper: >>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/view/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>> It answers most of your questions. As you can see, leaf character >>>>>>>>>> is important, but also features of flowers, fruits etc. to be >>>>>>>>>> considered >>>>>>>>>> for correct diagnosis. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I still think your plant is Phyllanthus amarus. But, let's hear >>>>>>>>>> from others too... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Please also see the poster published by FRLHT...available at >>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/files >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I was digging a bit more on *P. niruri* L. and *P. amarus* Schum. >>>>>>>>>>> & Thonn. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I found a number of papers on medicinal properties of *P. niruri >>>>>>>>>>> * L., published by CSIR, some of those are recent publications - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/4539 >>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.csircentral.net/index.php/record/view/18194 >>>>>>>>>>> 3. without using L. or Linn. - >>>>>>>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/3400 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *P. niruri* L. in other sites - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actual/Phyllanthus-vol-19-iss-3.html >>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/phyllanthus-niruri >>>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/AlexanderDecker/11protective-effect-of-phyllanthus-niruri-on-dmba-croton-oil-mediated-carcinogenic-response-and-oxidative-damage-in-accordance-to-histopathological-studies-in-skin-of-mice >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> At the same time i kept in my mind what i learned in group >>>>>>>>>>> threads, that *P. niruri* L. doesn't occur in India, even >>>>>>>>>>> though it had been mentioned in "THE USEFUL PLANTS OF INDIA" ( >>>>>>>>>>> CSIR publication ). So, i searched more on *Phyllanthus* species >>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. Google directed me to an ebook, *"Phyllanthus Species: >>>>>>>>>>> Scientific Evaluation and Medicinal Applications" (By Ramadasan >>>>>>>>>>> Kuttan, K. >>>>>>>>>>> B. Harikumar)* that supports the claim. The same book also >>>>>>>>>>> describes *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. I copy a few >>>>>>>>>>> words -* *".... leaf blade 5-9 x 2-4 mm, oblong, obtuse at >>>>>>>>>>> both ends...." = page 26 & 27 = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ordQCHqPy9gC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Phyllanthus+niruri+L+species+description&source=bl&ots=i1nPFFuQLy&sig=k06juMKogPFUEK3Puul3nL99k84&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yfF2UOuPB8yqrAfw0IGoCA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Phyllanthus%20niruri%20L%20species%20description&f=false >>>>>>>>>>> 2. Another document describes *Phyllanthus spp.* in >>>>>>>>>>> Tiruchirappalli district. I copy a few words on *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>> amarus* Schum. & Thonn. = ".... stem terete, hispidulous, >>>>>>>>>>> ... leaf tip rounded..." = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/viewFile/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. in - >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 1. FoC = Leaves distichous; stipules linear or >>>>>>>>>>> linear-lanceolate, green; petioles ca. 0.5 mm; leaf blade oblong >>>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, 3-8 × 2-4.5 mm, membranous or thinly papery, >>>>>>>>>>> base >>>>>>>>>>> rounded, apex obtuse or rounded and often apiculate = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>> 2. FoP = Similar to Phyllanthus fraternus, but completely >>>>>>>>>>> glabrous, foliage-leaves smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm), oblong = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>> 3. *Phyllanthus fraternus* Webster in FoP = leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, 5-13 x 1.5-5 mm, obtuse >>>>>>>>>>> or rounded at apex and base = >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Whom should i follow for the ID of my species? I think my >>>>>>>>>>> species doesn't have terete stem, not sure about apices of leaves. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:55 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> But, if it is *Phyllanthus amarus* then FoC and FoP both are >>>>>>>>>>>> not much reliable source, specially for leaf sizes, more evident >>>>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>>>> grass & *Sesbania* uploads. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice pictures Surajit ji! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Your visit to the pond might have surprised the young Varanus! >>>>>>>>>>>>> Please tell him/her you were clicking *Phyllanthus amarus. * >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Searched for *Phyllanthus niruri* L. and found :- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ".... There is no confusion regarding *P. niruri >>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't occur in India*. *All plants which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier called in that name are belong to (and to be called >>>>>>>>>>>>>> as) P. amarus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *, as we all know...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/uRuNBBRR_3k/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. *P. amarus* in FoP = ".... Similar to Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraternus, but completely glabrous, *foliage-leaves >>>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm)*, oblong...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. *P. amarus* in FoC = " ...... leaf blade oblong or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, *3-8 × 2-4.5 mm*.........." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. " ............ *P. fraternus has 6 tepals* and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic/obovate leaves will have a narrowed base....... " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/1x7grsFDm6Q/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. *P. fraternus* in FoP = "........ leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, *5-13 x 1.5-5 mm >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *..." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ".... *Phyllanthus fraternus (syn: P. niruri Hook.f. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> (non Linn.), quite distinct from P. amarus in larger leaves, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 perianth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6-10 lobed disc*............ " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/vFK2qO-sz18/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. another group post = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xpGcxOGpkJI/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/49hDzECkogE/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. yet another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/c_6anbyYgoc/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. In FoI = >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Gulf%20Leaf-Flower.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit & Habitat : wild herb, both branched and unbranched, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> very common on roadside, waste places; height about 1 foot or >>>>>>>>>>>>>> more; leaves >>>>>>>>>>>>>> = 10mm x 5 mm (image no. DSCN1627.jpg); tepals = 5 (image no. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> DSCN1635.jpg) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 8-Sept-12, 2.00 p.m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as i was recording these images a young water >>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_monitor>was waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Usha di >>> =========== >>> >>> -- >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> > --
