*So,,, dear all: tell me please which is really the BHUMIAMALAKI of AYURVEDIC MEDICINE?
books mention and so does wiki that it is P. niruri... confused to the max... Usha di * On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 11:33 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Vijayasankar Ji, > > Thank you again and again for another *Phyllanthus*. > > Regards, > > surajit > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > >> Rekha ji's pictures are of *Phyllanthus urinaria*, I think. The fruit >> surface is tuberculate (smooth in P. amarus), sepals 6 (5 in P. amarus). Of >> course leaf features are also different here. >> >> Regards >> >> Vijayasankar Raman >> National Center for Natural Products Research >> University of Mississippi >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Rekha Shahane <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> The mail bounced so photo attached >>> and pl. confirm the ID >>> Its P. amarus or a different sp.? >>> Regards, >>> -Rekha Shahane. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Rekha Shahane >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> I am forwarding a mail with three photograph and believe its the same >>>> plant >>>> and if so, one can see flowers and fruits together in one of the photo. >>>> Regards, >>>> -Rekha. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Me too >>>>> Am impressed >>>>> knew you dont give up >>>>> good for you, Surajit >>>>> good for us >>>>> usha di >>>>> PS AND THANKS to Vijaya for the initial impetus >>>>> >>>>> ========== >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>> Thank you very very very much for the endless support. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the ID confirmation Surajit ji. >>>>>>> I really appreciate your keen interest and devotion. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> SORRY VIJAY SIR, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I did a big mistake, took wrong interpretation of the term "terete >>>>>>>> stem". >>>>>>>> This is *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. >>>>>>>> Attaching some more new pics taken today (12/10/12) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Many many thanks Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I regret that the doc is not accessible to common people. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The following paper includes keys and descriptions of both the >>>>>>>>>> species: >>>>>>>>>> A Revision of Phyllanthus (Euphorbiaceae) in the Continental >>>>>>>>>> United States <http://www.jstor.org/stable/2805721> >>>>>>>>>> Grady L. Webster >>>>>>>>>> Brittonia<http://www.jstor.org/action/showPublication?journalCode=brittonia>Vol. >>>>>>>>>> 22, No. 1 (Jan. - Mar., 1970), pp. 44-76 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you once again Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>>>>>> Documents are saying that *P. niruri* L. is not found in India. >>>>>>>>>>> If i could find some morphological description of *P. niruri* >>>>>>>>>>> L.! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please check this paper: >>>>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/view/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>>>> It answers most of your questions. As you can see, leaf >>>>>>>>>>>> character is important, but also features of flowers, fruits etc. >>>>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>>> considered for correct diagnosis. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I still think your plant is Phyllanthus amarus. But, let's hear >>>>>>>>>>>> from others too... >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Please also see the poster published by FRLHT...available at >>>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/files >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I was digging a bit more on *P. niruri* L. and *P. amarus* Schum. >>>>>>>>>>>>> & Thonn. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I found a number of papers on medicinal properties of *P. >>>>>>>>>>>>> niruri* L., published by CSIR, some of those are recent >>>>>>>>>>>>> publications - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/4539 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.csircentral.net/index.php/record/view/18194 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. without using L. or Linn. - >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/3400 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *P. niruri* L. in other sites - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actual/Phyllanthus-vol-19-iss-3.html >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/phyllanthus-niruri >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/AlexanderDecker/11protective-effect-of-phyllanthus-niruri-on-dmba-croton-oil-mediated-carcinogenic-response-and-oxidative-damage-in-accordance-to-histopathological-studies-in-skin-of-mice >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> At the same time i kept in my mind what i learned in group >>>>>>>>>>>>> threads, that *P. niruri* L. doesn't occur in India, even >>>>>>>>>>>>> though it had been mentioned in "THE USEFUL PLANTS OF INDIA" >>>>>>>>>>>>> ( CSIR publication ). So, i searched more on *Phyllanthus* species >>>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Google directed me to an ebook, *"Phyllanthus Species: >>>>>>>>>>>>> Scientific Evaluation and Medicinal Applications" (By >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ramadasan Kuttan, K. >>>>>>>>>>>>> B. Harikumar)* that supports the claim. The same book also >>>>>>>>>>>>> describes *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. I copy a >>>>>>>>>>>>> few words -* *".... leaf blade 5-9 x 2-4 mm, oblong, >>>>>>>>>>>>> obtuse at both ends...." = page 26 & 27 = >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ordQCHqPy9gC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Phyllanthus+niruri+L+species+description&source=bl&ots=i1nPFFuQLy&sig=k06juMKogPFUEK3Puul3nL99k84&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yfF2UOuPB8yqrAfw0IGoCA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Phyllanthus%20niruri%20L%20species%20description&f=false >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Another document describes *Phyllanthus spp.* in >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tiruchirappalli district. I copy a few words on *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>> amarus* Schum. & Thonn. = ".... stem terete, hispidulous, >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... leaf tip rounded..." = >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/viewFile/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. in - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. FoC = Leaves distichous; stipules linear or >>>>>>>>>>>>> linear-lanceolate, green; petioles ca. 0.5 mm; leaf blade >>>>>>>>>>>>> oblong or >>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, 3-8 × 2-4.5 mm, membranous or thinly papery, >>>>>>>>>>>>> base >>>>>>>>>>>>> rounded, apex obtuse or rounded and often apiculate = >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. FoP = Similar to Phyllanthus fraternus, but completely >>>>>>>>>>>>> glabrous, foliage-leaves smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm), oblong= >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. *Phyllanthus fraternus* Webster in FoP = leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, 5-13 x 1.5-5 mm, >>>>>>>>>>>>> obtuse >>>>>>>>>>>>> or rounded at apex and base = >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Whom should i follow for the ID of my species? I think my >>>>>>>>>>>>> species doesn't have terete stem, not sure about apices of leaves. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:55 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if it is *Phyllanthus amarus* then FoC and FoP both are >>>>>>>>>>>>>> not much reliable source, specially for leaf sizes, more evident >>>>>>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> grass & *Sesbania* uploads. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice pictures Surajit ji! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your visit to the pond might have surprised the young >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Varanus! Please tell him/her you were clicking *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amarus. * >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Searched for *Phyllanthus niruri* L. and found :- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ".... There is no confusion regarding *P. niruri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't occur in India*. *All plants which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier called in that name are belong to (and to be called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as) P. amarus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *, as we all know...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/uRuNBBRR_3k/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. *P. amarus* in FoP = ".... Similar to Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraternus, but completely glabrous, *foliage-leaves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm)*, oblong...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. *P. amarus* in FoC = " ...... leaf blade oblong or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, *3-8 × 2-4.5 mm*.........." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. " ............ *P. fraternus has 6 tepals* and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic/obovate leaves will have a narrowed base....... " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/1x7grsFDm6Q/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. *P. fraternus* in FoP = "........ leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, *5-13 x 1.5-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mm*..." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ".... *Phyllanthus fraternus (syn: P. niruri Hook.f. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (non Linn.), quite distinct from P. amarus in larger >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> leaves, 6 perianth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6-10 lobed disc*............ " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/vFK2qO-sz18/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. another group post = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xpGcxOGpkJI/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/49hDzECkogE/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. yet another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/c_6anbyYgoc/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. In FoI = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Gulf%20Leaf-Flower.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit & Habitat : wild herb, both branched and unbranched, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very common on roadside, waste places; height about 1 foot or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more; leaves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = 10mm x 5 mm (image no. DSCN1627.jpg); tepals = 5 (image no. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DSCN1635.jpg) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 8-Sept-12, 2.00 p.m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as i was recording these images a young water >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_monitor>was waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Usha di >>>>> =========== >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- Usha di =========== --
