Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, Thank you very very very much for the endless support.
Regards, surajit On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > Thanks for the ID confirmation Surajit ji. > I really appreciate your keen interest and devotion. > > Regards > > Vijayasankar Raman > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi > > > On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> SORRY VIJAY SIR, >> >> I did a big mistake, took wrong interpretation of the term "terete stem". >> This is *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. >> Attaching some more new pics taken today (12/10/12) >> >> Regards, >> >> surajit >> >> >> >> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Many many thanks Vijayasankar Ji. >>> >>> I regret that the doc is not accessible to common people. >>> >>> Regards, >>> >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Vijayasankar >>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> The following paper includes keys and descriptions of both the species: >>>> A Revision of Phyllanthus (Euphorbiaceae) in the Continental United >>>> States <http://www.jstor.org/stable/2805721> >>>> Grady L. Webster >>>> Brittonia<http://www.jstor.org/action/showPublication?journalCode=brittonia>Vol. >>>> 22, No. 1 (Jan. - Mar., 1970), pp. 44-76 >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>> University of Mississippi >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thank you once again Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>> Documents are saying that *P. niruri* L. is not found in India. >>>>> If i could find some morphological description of *P. niruri* L.! >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Dear Surajit ji, >>>>>> >>>>>> Please check this paper: >>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/view/6070/3109 >>>>>> It answers most of your questions. As you can see, leaf character is >>>>>> important, but also features of flowers, fruits etc. to be considered for >>>>>> correct diagnosis. >>>>>> >>>>>> I still think your plant is Phyllanthus amarus. But, let's hear from >>>>>> others too... >>>>>> >>>>>> Please also see the poster published by FRLHT...available at >>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/files >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I was digging a bit more on *P. niruri* L. and *P. amarus* Schum. & >>>>>>> Thonn. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I found a number of papers on medicinal properties of *P. niruri* L., >>>>>>> published by CSIR, some of those are recent publications - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/4539 >>>>>>> 2. http://www.csircentral.net/index.php/record/view/18194 >>>>>>> 3. without using L. or Linn. - >>>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/3400 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *P. niruri* L. in other sites - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> http://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actual/Phyllanthus-vol-19-iss-3.html >>>>>>> 2. http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/phyllanthus-niruri >>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/AlexanderDecker/11protective-effect-of-phyllanthus-niruri-on-dmba-croton-oil-mediated-carcinogenic-response-and-oxidative-damage-in-accordance-to-histopathological-studies-in-skin-of-mice >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the same time i kept in my mind what i learned in group threads, >>>>>>> that *P. niruri* L. doesn't occur in India, even though it had been >>>>>>> mentioned in "THE USEFUL PLANTS OF INDIA" ( CSIR publication ). So, >>>>>>> i searched more on *Phyllanthus* species - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. Google directed me to an ebook, *"Phyllanthus Species: >>>>>>> Scientific Evaluation and Medicinal Applications" (By Ramadasan >>>>>>> Kuttan, K. >>>>>>> B. Harikumar)* that supports the claim. The same book also >>>>>>> describes *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. I copy a few >>>>>>> words -* *".... leaf blade 5-9 x 2-4 mm, oblong, obtuse at both >>>>>>> ends...." = page 26 & 27 = >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ordQCHqPy9gC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Phyllanthus+niruri+L+species+description&source=bl&ots=i1nPFFuQLy&sig=k06juMKogPFUEK3Puul3nL99k84&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yfF2UOuPB8yqrAfw0IGoCA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Phyllanthus%20niruri%20L%20species%20description&f=false >>>>>>> 2. Another document describes *Phyllanthus spp.* in >>>>>>> Tiruchirappalli district. I copy a few words on *Phyllanthus >>>>>>> amarus* Schum. & Thonn. = ".... stem terete, hispidulous, ... >>>>>>> leaf tip rounded..." = >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/viewFile/6070/3109 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. in - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. FoC = Leaves distichous; stipules linear or >>>>>>> linear-lanceolate, green; petioles ca. 0.5 mm; leaf blade oblong or >>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, 3-8 × 2-4.5 mm, membranous or thinly papery, base >>>>>>> rounded, apex obtuse or rounded and often apiculate = >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>> 2. FoP = Similar to Phyllanthus fraternus, but completely >>>>>>> glabrous, foliage-leaves smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm), oblong = >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>> 3. *Phyllanthus fraternus* Webster in FoP = leaf-blades >>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, 5-13 x 1.5-5 mm, obtuse >>>>>>> or rounded at apex and base = >>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Whom should i follow for the ID of my species? I think my species >>>>>>> doesn't have terete stem, not sure about apices of leaves. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:55 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But, if it is *Phyllanthus amarus* then FoC and FoP both are not >>>>>>>> much reliable source, specially for leaf sizes, more evident in my >>>>>>>> grass & >>>>>>>> *Sesbania* uploads. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nice pictures Surajit ji! >>>>>>>>> Your visit to the pond might have surprised the young Varanus! >>>>>>>>> Please tell him/her you were clicking *Phyllanthus amarus. * >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Searched for *Phyllanthus niruri* L. and found :- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 1. ".... There is no confusion regarding *P. niruri because >>>>>>>>>> it doesn't occur in India*. *All plants which earlier called >>>>>>>>>> in that name are belong to (and to be called as) P. amarus*, >>>>>>>>>> as we all know...." = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/uRuNBBRR_3k/discussion >>>>>>>>>> 2. *P. amarus* in FoP = ".... Similar to Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>> fraternus, but completely glabrous, *foliage-leaves smaller >>>>>>>>>> (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm)*, oblong...." = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>> 3. *P. amarus* in FoC = " ...... leaf blade oblong or >>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, *3-8 × 2-4.5 mm*.........." = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>> 4. " ............ *P. fraternus has 6 tepals* and the >>>>>>>>>> elliptic/obovate leaves will have a narrowed base....... " = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/1x7grsFDm6Q/discussion >>>>>>>>>> 5. *P. fraternus* in FoP = "........ leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, *5-13 x 1.5-5 mm*..." >>>>>>>>>> = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>> 6. ".... *Phyllanthus fraternus (syn: P. niruri Hook.f. (non >>>>>>>>>> Linn.), quite distinct from P. amarus in larger leaves, 6 >>>>>>>>>> perianth, 6-10 >>>>>>>>>> lobed disc*............ " = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/vFK2qO-sz18/discussion >>>>>>>>>> 7. another group post = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xpGcxOGpkJI/discussion >>>>>>>>>> 8. another = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/49hDzECkogE/discussion >>>>>>>>>> 9. yet another = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/c_6anbyYgoc/discussion >>>>>>>>>> 10. In FoI = >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Gulf%20Leaf-Flower.html >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>> Habit & Habitat : wild herb, both branched and unbranched, very >>>>>>>>>> common on roadside, waste places; height about 1 foot or more; >>>>>>>>>> leaves = >>>>>>>>>> 10mm x 5 mm (image no. DSCN1627.jpg); tepals = 5 (image no. >>>>>>>>>> DSCN1635.jpg) >>>>>>>>>> Date : 8-Sept-12, 2.00 p.m. >>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Well, as i was recording these images a young water >>>>>>>>>> monitor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_monitor>was waiting for >>>>>>>>>> me! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > --
