Vijayasankar Ji, Thank you again and again for another *Phyllanthus*.
Regards, surajit On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 8:27 PM, Vijayasankar <[email protected]>wrote: > Rekha ji's pictures are of *Phyllanthus urinaria*, I think. The fruit > surface is tuberculate (smooth in P. amarus), sepals 6 (5 in P. amarus). Of > course leaf features are also different here. > > Regards > > Vijayasankar Raman > National Center for Natural Products Research > University of Mississippi > > > On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Rekha Shahane <[email protected]>wrote: > >> The mail bounced so photo attached >> and pl. confirm the ID >> Its P. amarus or a different sp.? >> Regards, >> -Rekha Shahane. >> >> >> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 4:37 PM, Rekha Shahane <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> I am forwarding a mail with three photograph and believe its the same >>> plant >>> and if so, one can see flowers and fruits together in one of the photo. >>> Regards, >>> -Rekha. >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 10:55 AM, ushadi Micromini < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Me too >>>> Am impressed >>>> knew you dont give up >>>> good for you, Surajit >>>> good for us >>>> usha di >>>> PS AND THANKS to Vijaya for the initial impetus >>>> >>>> ========== >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 7:26 AM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>> Thank you very very very much for the endless support. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 1:55 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for the ID confirmation Surajit ji. >>>>>> I really appreciate your keen interest and devotion. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 3:01 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> SORRY VIJAY SIR, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I did a big mistake, took wrong interpretation of the term "terete >>>>>>> stem". >>>>>>> This is *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. >>>>>>> Attaching some more new pics taken today (12/10/12) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 8:40 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Many many thanks Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I regret that the doc is not accessible to common people. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 7:54 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The following paper includes keys and descriptions of both the >>>>>>>>> species: >>>>>>>>> A Revision of Phyllanthus (Euphorbiaceae) in the Continental >>>>>>>>> United States <http://www.jstor.org/stable/2805721> >>>>>>>>> Grady L. Webster >>>>>>>>> Brittonia<http://www.jstor.org/action/showPublication?journalCode=brittonia>Vol. >>>>>>>>> 22, No. 1 (Jan. - Mar., 1970), pp. 44-76 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 8:54 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you once again Vijayasankar Ji. >>>>>>>>>> Documents are saying that *P. niruri* L. is not found in India. >>>>>>>>>> If i could find some morphological description of *P. niruri* L.! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Oct 12, 2012 at 6:31 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Dear Surajit ji, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please check this paper: >>>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/view/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>>> It answers most of your questions. As you can see, leaf >>>>>>>>>>> character is important, but also features of flowers, fruits etc. >>>>>>>>>>> to be >>>>>>>>>>> considered for correct diagnosis. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I still think your plant is Phyllanthus amarus. But, let's hear >>>>>>>>>>> from others too... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Please also see the poster published by FRLHT...available at >>>>>>>>>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/files >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I was digging a bit more on *P. niruri* L. and *P. amarus* Schum. >>>>>>>>>>>> & Thonn. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I found a number of papers on medicinal properties of *P. >>>>>>>>>>>> niruri* L., published by CSIR, some of those are recent >>>>>>>>>>>> publications - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/4539 >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.csircentral.net/index.php/record/view/18194 >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. without using L. or Linn. - >>>>>>>>>>>> http://nopr.niscair.res.in/handle/123456789/3400 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *P. niruri* L. in other sites - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.namahjournal.com/doc/Actual/Phyllanthus-vol-19-iss-3.html >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.pharmainfo.net/reviews/phyllanthus-niruri >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.slideshare.net/AlexanderDecker/11protective-effect-of-phyllanthus-niruri-on-dmba-croton-oil-mediated-carcinogenic-response-and-oxidative-damage-in-accordance-to-histopathological-studies-in-skin-of-mice >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> At the same time i kept in my mind what i learned in group >>>>>>>>>>>> threads, that *P. niruri* L. doesn't occur in India, even >>>>>>>>>>>> though it had been mentioned in "THE USEFUL PLANTS OF INDIA" ( >>>>>>>>>>>> CSIR publication ). So, i searched more on *Phyllanthus* species >>>>>>>>>>>> - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. Google directed me to an ebook, *"Phyllanthus Species: >>>>>>>>>>>> Scientific Evaluation and Medicinal Applications" (By Ramadasan >>>>>>>>>>>> Kuttan, K. >>>>>>>>>>>> B. Harikumar)* that supports the claim. The same book also >>>>>>>>>>>> describes *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. I copy a few >>>>>>>>>>>> words -* *".... leaf blade 5-9 x 2-4 mm, oblong, obtuse at >>>>>>>>>>>> both ends...." = page 26 & 27 = >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=ordQCHqPy9gC&pg=PA31&lpg=PA31&dq=Phyllanthus+niruri+L+species+description&source=bl&ots=i1nPFFuQLy&sig=k06juMKogPFUEK3Puul3nL99k84&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yfF2UOuPB8yqrAfw0IGoCA&ved=0CFIQ6AEwCA#v=onepage&q=Phyllanthus%20niruri%20L%20species%20description&f=false >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. Another document describes *Phyllanthus spp.* in >>>>>>>>>>>> Tiruchirappalli district. I copy a few words on *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>> amarus* Schum. & Thonn. = ".... stem terete, hispidulous, >>>>>>>>>>>> ... leaf tip rounded..." = >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://journal-phytology.com/index.php/phyto/article/viewFile/6070/3109 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> *Phyllanthus amarus* Schum. & Thonn. in - >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> 1. FoC = Leaves distichous; stipules linear or >>>>>>>>>>>> linear-lanceolate, green; petioles ca. 0.5 mm; leaf blade >>>>>>>>>>>> oblong or >>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, 3-8 × 2-4.5 mm, membranous or thinly papery, >>>>>>>>>>>> base >>>>>>>>>>>> rounded, apex obtuse or rounded and often apiculate = >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>> 2. FoP = Similar to Phyllanthus fraternus, but completely >>>>>>>>>>>> glabrous, foliage-leaves smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm), oblong = >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>> 3. *Phyllanthus fraternus* Webster in FoP = leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, 5-13 x 1.5-5 mm, >>>>>>>>>>>> obtuse >>>>>>>>>>>> or rounded at apex and base = >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Whom should i follow for the ID of my species? I think my >>>>>>>>>>>> species doesn't have terete stem, not sure about apices of leaves. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 6:55 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning/evening Vijayasankar Ji, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you very much. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> But, if it is *Phyllanthus amarus* then FoC and FoP both are >>>>>>>>>>>>> not much reliable source, specially for leaf sizes, more evident >>>>>>>>>>>>> in my >>>>>>>>>>>>> grass & *Sesbania* uploads. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 11, 2012 at 1:25 AM, Vijayasankar < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Nice pictures Surajit ji! >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Your visit to the pond might have surprised the young >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Varanus! Please tell him/her you were clicking *Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>> amarus. * >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vijayasankar Raman >>>>>>>>>>>>>> National Center for Natural Products Research >>>>>>>>>>>>>> University of Mississippi >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 2:30 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Searched for *Phyllanthus niruri* L. and found :- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. ".... There is no confusion regarding *P. niruri >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because it doesn't occur in India*. *All plants which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> earlier called in that name are belong to (and to be called >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as) P. amarus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *, as we all know...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/uRuNBBRR_3k/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. *P. amarus* in FoP = ".... Similar to Phyllanthus >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fraternus, but completely glabrous, *foliage-leaves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> smaller (3-6 x 1.5-3 mm)*, oblong...." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. *P. amarus* in FoC = " ...... leaf blade oblong or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong, *3-8 × 2-4.5 mm*.........." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242337368 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 4. " ............ *P. fraternus has 6 tepals* and the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic/obovate leaves will have a narrowed base....... " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/1x7grsFDm6Q/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 5. *P. fraternus* in FoP = "........ leaf-blades >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> elliptic-oblong to elliptic-oblanceolate, *5-13 x 1.5-5 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mm*..." = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242442520 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6. ".... *Phyllanthus fraternus (syn: P. niruri Hook.f. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (non Linn.), quite distinct from P. amarus in larger leaves, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6 perianth, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 6-10 lobed disc*............ " = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/vFK2qO-sz18/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 7. another group post = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/xpGcxOGpkJI/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 8. another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/49hDzECkogE/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 9. yet another = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/topic/indiantreepix/c_6anbyYgoc/discussion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10. In FoI = >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Gulf%20Leaf-Flower.html >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Species : UNKNOWN >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Habit & Habitat : wild herb, both branched and unbranched, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> very common on roadside, waste places; height about 1 foot or >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> more; leaves >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> = 10mm x 5 mm (image no. DSCN1627.jpg); tepals = 5 (image no. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DSCN1635.jpg) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date : 8-Sept-12, 2.00 p.m. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Place : Hooghly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Well, as i was recording these images a young water >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> monitor<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_monitor>was waiting >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me! >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you & Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Usha di >>>> =========== >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > --
