I have no personal vendetta
against anyone in ISPAK, but just would like all to refkect and think hard about
this....
What makes no sense is to
link royalty as % of sales to ISPs...and then also charging license
fees.
Okay fine licence fees makes
sense then what is this all about % of revenues as royalty???
It should be fixed &
license fees covers it. Infact % of sales traps us all in many ways....While I.
Tax department is one thing for GENUINE BUSINESSMAN, PTA will be another income
tax department scrutunising and blackmailing threatening every ISP all the way.
Infact after lisecne fees, charging royalty as % of sales, is royalty on
royalty??
I want to know what PTA does
or ensures to help increase our sales??? or any ISPs
sales?
Who works hard to get PRIs
pay so much in advance, and then follows up to put them online... Who works
hard to make PTCL function....getting a DXX upgrade, dealing with NMS, SDH
equipment, paying huge somes in advances and securities to PTCL at every upgrade
then working ur heads off too get badwidth online? does PTA has any role in
it???? who advertsies, creates awareness, and spends ther hard earned rupees to
attract and grow intrenet market? is it PTA or PTCL or ISPs????
then may i ask why pay
PTA at all such that every Rupee we work hard to earn we give 1.5% of
that to PTA without any due consideration and any guarantee or subsidy or any
service from PTA...
What does PTA do to increase
our sales??? any gaurantees?? frequnecy allocations?? limitaions of licences??
NONE, NOTHING? then why % of sales why???? SIMPLE QUESTION OF FUNDAMENTAL
RIGHT?? protected under consitution i guess....yeah its rite the
constitution is suspened.
The same goes for QOS?????
does any Qos makes any practical sense in this choatic sense when we have
nothing to fall back on and the dollar continues to increase every
month........
Just some food for
thought.
Regards,
Amir
Shafi
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 8:56
PM
Subject: Re: ISPAK: ISP's Meeting at
Karachi / this is not official meeting of ISPAK
Janab ,
Mobile operators did try to get a legal opinion
which in fact was given to
them from a Lahore based lawfirm , due to the
guarantee of only 4 players in
their MOU with PTA and PTCL and also the
allocation of Operating frequencies
, that firm advised them not to go in
the court , otherwise they have the
same views about Royalty which we have
. Mobile operators need allocated
frequencies to function and all
over the world frequency bands are auctioned
sold as here they use a
special opportunity or facility no one else can use
that band .
Like
if we drive on Motorway , Government can charge us for the use of it in
the
form of token / toll tax , Royalty whatever you call it .
All
links which we use for Internet we pay for them to PTCL . So in our case
no
issue of Royalty arises , we donot use the aerial limits of Pakistan
for
communications as Mobile operators do .
Sir , If I am able
to convince you I think we will win the case in the
court of law as
well :)
Please do attend the meeting in Karachi , I will love to reply
all your
questions . I am hopeful that you will be satisfied .
Best
Regards
Saad Saleem
----- Original Message -----
From: "A.R.
Nasir Qureshi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
"Engr.Imran Akhtar Shah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: "Saad Saleem"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"sbhutta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>;
"Malik Razaq"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday,
June 21, 2001 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: ISPAK: ISP's Meeting at Karachi / this
is not official meeting
of ISPAK
>
> Same question, as
for Mr. Saad. Mobile operators are paying royalty as
> written in their
licenses. If we prove that PTA cannot put the word
> royalty in the
license of any telecom operator, then won't the mobile
> operators be
able to get away with the royalty by making a case in the
> same court
??
>
> The telecom act does not say any thing about 4 licenses or
400. It just
> says that fee can be charged, and no royalty. Any thing
in the Act is
> applicable to all telco operators, 4 or 400, and any
change proved in
> court for one class of telco operators, can be proved
by other class.
>
> Regards,
>
>
Nasir.
>
>
> On Thu, 21 Jun 2001, Engr.Imran Akhtar Shah
wrote:
>
> > Dear Nasir,
> >
> > The Cellular
operators are guaranteed by the PTA/GOP that total number
of
> >
licenses which can be issued are 4 only. Therefore,PTA can
charge
Royalty
> > or Fee which ever you name it as this fee will
guarantees that the total
> > number of Operators will not be more
than 4.
> >
> > But here we are, EIS/DCNS(DNOP). Licenses
issued till date is 145. Here
> > they cannot force us to charge
Royalty.
> >
> > I hope I made clear the facts on
grounds.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Imran
>
>
> >
> > At 05:42 PM 6/21/01 +0500, A.R. Nasir Qureshi
wrote:
> > >Dear All,
> > >
> > > > 5)
Why a few people are forcing the whole of industry to pay
some
thing
> > > which is totally illegal ???
> >
>
> > >
> > >I just want to tell every one
what one of our good friend told us. He
> > >said that the mobile
operators have paid a very high amount to GOP in
the
> > >terms
of royalty. IF the royalty is proved to be illegal in the court,
> >
>then the GOP will have to return that amount to the operators.
>
> >
> > >Do you all sincerely beleive that the government /
country who is
> > >desperatly in need of cash will allow a huge
amount to be taken from
their
> > >pockets ??? A simple PCO or
ordinance will be issued and the Telecome
Act
> > >will be
ammended. Royalty will become legal and we all will be in a
very
>
> >difficult position then we are now, as then we will have no friends
and
we
> > >will still have to pay the money.
> >
>
> > >Regards,
> > >
> >
>Nasir.
> > >
> > >
> > > >
>
> > > Those who do not have business (Internet )should refrain
from
> > > participating in it .
> > > >
>
> > >
> > > > Royalty will be challenged in the High
Court within 3 days from now
and
> > > Inshallah and therefore
its very logical to hold and conduct meetings
at
> > > various
cities of Pakistan to make all members understand .
> > >
>
> > > >
> > > > Best Regards
> >
> >
> > > > Saad Saleem
> > > >
>
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> From: sbhutta
> > > > To: Malik
Razaq
> > > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Engr.Imran Akhtar
Shah
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2001 12:47
PM
> > > > Subject: Re: ISPAK: ISP's Meeting at
Karachi / this is not
official
> > > meeting of ISPAK
>
> > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear
Mr.Razaq Sahib,
> > > > AoA,
> > >
> Are you aware of the back ground ?. It is right of each
member of
> > > ISPAK to be elected as president of ISPAK
but through constitutional
> > > procedure.
> > >
>
> > > > For your kind information please see
the following mail which
will
> > > clear the position and aims
and objective of Mr.Imran Akhtar Shah, He
> > > desires to be
president pf ISPAK through back door, We have called
> > > meeting
on 10th July 2001 for election and other issues. I hope you
have
>
> > came to know why I was not in Lahore meeting.
> > >
> Best regards,
> > > >
Bhutta
> > > >
> > > >
-----Original Message-----
> > > >
From: Engr.Imran Akhtar Shah [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > >
> Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 16:18
> >
> > To: nadeem
> > >
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Saad Saleem; Ansar
ul
Haque
> > > > Subject: Re:
Elections
> > > > Importance:
High
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> Dear Nadeem,
> > > >
> >
> > Sorry, I differ here. Mr. Bhutta should be
relieved as President
> > > ISPAK forthwith. And new setup as
proposed by me come forward take
> > > charge. Mr. Bhutta was
given enough time to avoid this eventuality but
he
> > > did
not understand. He damaged all our efforts of unity and the recent
>
> > damage he has done you were witness to that. (Our Meeting with
MOST)
> > > >
> > > >
Therefore, he is no more President ISPAK. Same has been
> > >
communicated to MOST & PTCL/PTA. If you and Ansar do not agree
please
> > > take a back seat and we will then take care of ISPAK
affairs.
> > > >
> > > >
Regards,
> > > > Imran
> >
> >
> > > >
> > >
> At 02:39 PM 6/6/01 +0500, you wrote:
> >
> >
> > > >
Imran,
> > > >
> > >
> If you really want the election to be
held, I propose to go
along
> > > by me. Do not suggest
anything else. Let my idea of the election
> > > committee taking
the lead role work. Other things will happen
automatically.
> >
> >
> > > >
Regards
> > > >
> > > > Best
regards,
> > > > Bhutta
> > >
> ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> From: Malik Razaq
> > >
> To: sbhutta
> > >
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; Engr.Imran Akhtar
Shah
> > > > Sent: Thursday, June 21,
2001 10:53 AM
> > > > Subject: Re:
ISPAK: ISP's Meeting at Karachi / this is not
official
> > >
meeting of ISPAK
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> > Bhutta sahib:
> > >
> Official or un-official, please
get togather with the
> > > Gentlemen.
???????You were unkind not to join in Lahore.
> > >
> Best Regards,
> > >
> Razaq
> > >
> sbhutta wrote:
> > > >
>
> > > Dear All
> > >
> ,AoA,
> > >
> For the kind information of
members that this is not official
> > > meeting of ISPAK. The
General Body meeting of ISPAK will be held on
10th
> > >
July,2001. at ISPAK.Office. May I suggest to my friends that
we
should
> > > not use ISPAK mailing list for politics.
Best regardsSanaullah
> > > BhuttaPresident ISPAK. Please
see mail of Mr.Ateeq Khan of Gem.net.
> > >
>
=============================================================Dear
>
> > Bhutta Sahib,What you read in my email was the same as sent to
every
one.
> > > I did not propose any MEETING to DISCUSS it
further. To the contrary I
> > > suggested to STOP discussing and
start taking action in our own
way.Hope
> > > this clarifies.
RegardsAteeq Khan ----- Original Message -----From:
> > >
"Engr.Imran Akhtar Shah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>To:
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent:
> >
> Wednesday, June 20, 2001 7:31 PMSubject: ISPAK: ISP's Meeting at
>
> > Karachi > Dear Friends,
> > >
> >
> > >
> > This is in reference to my
earlier email on meeting of ISP's
in
> > > Karachi on
>
> > > > June 25,2001.
>
> > > >
> > >
> > Please note the venue.
>
> > > >
> > >
> > Place :Business Center Pearl
Continental (PC-Karachi).
> > >
> > Time: 1100 Hours
> >
> > > Date: June 25,2001.
>
> > > >
> > >
> > We are looking forward to
welcome you.
> > > >
>
> > > > > For and
On Behalf of
> > > >
>
> > > > > Mr. Moeen
Sadiq Malik ( Paknet)
> > >
> > Mr.Asif Luqman Qazi
(POL)
> > > > > Mr.
Nadeem Aslam Malik ( Iways)
> > >
> > Mr. Saad Saleem
(Micro.net)
> > > > >
Mr. Naeem Haq ( Nexlinx)
> > >
> > Mr. Effan Ibne Riaz
(WORLDCALL)
> > > > >
Mr. Azfar Manzoor/Zahid Haleem (World Online)
> > >
> > Mr. Amer Saleem ( Netsol
)
> > > > > Mr. Asad
Sibtain (PICL Globelnet)
> > >
> > Mr. S.M.Shafi (Infonet)
>
> > > > Engr. Imran Akhtar
Shah ( WORLDTEL MECA )
> > >
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