Umm...SpringSource is really backing Grails (which happens to already
be built on Spring). Groovy is a JSR, and so is JRuby. JRuby
development is also being done by Sun engineers - so I'm not sure what
your point is. FWIW, Groovy was originally "invented" by James
Strachan...who's neither a SpringSource or Sun guy, to say the least.
The thing that you are missing in you're quantitative analysis below
is the percentage of happy developers in both camps. I would assert,
but you don't have to believe me, that there are many more happy Ruby
devers than Java devers. Not only that - but, the issue of quality
comes into play some where too. I won't provide an assertion here -
but, it is a relative notion.
Don't get me wrong there is a plenty of ego on both sides of the fence
here. It is imperative that you can see past this to the real value -
developmental efficiency. There's no way Java can win - based on its
code, build, deploy/run/test, code, build deploy/run/test cycle.
Groovy helps...but, as soon as there is any level of complexity you'll
be burdened with pure Java once again.
If for no other reason than Sun is a turd, Java is dead. Open
sourcing Sun's version of the JVM and platform has done nothing for
ensuring its longevity. Only said with a slight grin.
On Dec 9, 2008, at 7:17 PM, Richard Hightower wrote:
RE: Java is dead, long live the JVM. JRuby FTW in the enterprise.
From May 08 to Sept 08 Java job demand grew 3 times higher (in raw
numbers)
than the total Ruby market. But let's not mere facts get in the way
of your
"Java is dead" argument. Java continues to dwarf Ruby. And, Ruby
does not
seem to be picking up a lot of ground. Sure if you start from zero,
percentage of growth sky rockets, but.... Not enough.
BTW I prefer Groovy, but I won't claim Ruby is dead.
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=java+programming%2C+ruby+programming&l=
http://www.indeed.com/jobtrends?q=java%2C+ruby&l=
I am glad to see that Spring source is backing Groovy. I wonder why
they did
not back Jruby in a similar manner. Hmmmm....
On 12/9/08 12:04 PM, "Chad Woolley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here's the latest performance numbers on JRuby:
http://antoniocangiano.com/2008/12/09/the-great-ruby-shootout-december-2008/
Summary - JRuby is doing very well; came in second after Ruby 1.9;
and
compatibility is good and getting better all the time.
Ok, troll time:
My opinion - definitely try JRuby over Groovy. You get all the
benefits of the Java ecosystem: native calls to java libraries, JVM
execution, JIT compilation, packaging, war/ear-based deployment, etc,
etc. Most importantly, however, you get a language that was designed
to "make people happy". Most Rubyists - especially those with
experience in other languages - agree it achieves this goal well.
As for Groovy, I still say it is an attempt to make a static language
(Java) appear dynamic. They've done a decent job, but when you
really
compare it to using native Ruby, the warts and sharp edges poke
through.
The only argument I see in favor of Groovy is integration with the
Java ecosystem, which JRuby effectively negates. Conversely, all
language or syntax preference or prejudice aside, the Ruby ecosystem
is also very rich (rubygems and github), and you cannot take
advantage
of this with Groovy. Why not be able to choose from the best of both
worlds?
Java is dead, long live the JVM. JRuby FTW in the enterprise.
-- Chad
On Mon, Dec 8, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Todd Ellermann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
One more side note. JRuby runs on the JVM as well, and for a
while was out
performing the native Ruby interpreters. Not sure if that is still
true.
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