Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for approval.
2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby <[email protected]>: > (Late reply, sorry.) > > While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't > think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation > of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the > community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough > for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the > individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole. > > 2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: > >> Hoi, >> Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by >> several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? >> Thanks, >> GerardM >> >> On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I do think that the community will improve content as the time >>> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well. >>> >>> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine >>> translations. Such as >>> >>> <http://goog_1512637911> >>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 >>> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% >>> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% >>> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97 >>> >>> Regards >>> Satdeep Gill >>> >>> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29> >>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> >>> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> >>> Member, Language Committee >>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> >>> >>> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 >>>> /Page_footer] >>>> See Here. >>>> >>>> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize >>>> the >>>> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being >>>> addressed >>>> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an >>>> example. >>>> > >>>> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure >>>> that >>>> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other >>>> > Wikimedia projects. >>>> > >>>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash <[email protected]> >>>> > wrote: >>>> > >>>> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have >>>> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर >>>> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >>>> >> >>>> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: >>>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >>>> >> > >>>> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari >>>> text >>>> >> > and >>>> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >>>> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial >>>> intelligence". His >>>> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears >>>> only >>>> >> > a >>>> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >>>> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded >>>> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >>>> >> > @Jayprakash12345 >>>> >> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/>'s >>>> >> userpage--maybe it >>>> >> > is his own email address? >>>> >> > >>>> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed >>>> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages >>>> are >>>> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to >>>> even >>>> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from >>>> seeing the >>>> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving >>>> >> > around >>>> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being >>>> the >>>> >> only >>>> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus >>>> agree >>>> >> with >>>> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My >>>> >> personal >>>> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and >>>> >> hiwikiquote) >>>> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but >>>> I >>>> >> would >>>> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests >>>> >> > more >>>> >> > generally here. >>>> >> > >>>> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from >>>> >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke >>>> d/Category: >>>> >> HI >>>> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted >>>> and >>>> >> > 2) >>>> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >>>> >> > >>>> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >>>> >> > <[email protected] >>>> >> >> wrote: >>>> >> > >>>> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia >>>> .org/T168765#3376166): >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category >>>> has 84 >>>> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories >>>> which are >>>> >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of >>>> >> >> which >>>> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>> >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or >>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-20 >>>> 14/पेज_फ़ुट >>>> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove >>>> categories >>>> >> >> and >>>> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This >>>> includes >>>> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot >>>> /boot.s. >>>> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic >>>> templates >>>> >> >> and >>>> >> >> pages like >>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. >>>> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one person >>>> >> >> could >>>> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live >>>> project? >>>> >> This >>>> >> >> seems like a misstep. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages >>>> in >>>> >> five >>>> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux >>>> code >>>> >> >> or >>>> >> >> one >>>> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for >>>> >> >> disaster. >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> --JAK >>>> >> >> -- >>>> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into >>>> that hot >>>> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> >> Langcom mailing list >>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> > >>>> >> > >>>> >> > -- >>>> >> > >>>> >> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> Langcom mailing list >>>> >> [email protected] >>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>> >> >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Yours sincerely, >>>> > Mahir Morshed >>>> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >>>> > B.S. 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