StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval. 2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: > I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At > first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed > that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, > and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher > previously. > However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also > don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what > Wikiversity is for. > > Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi > Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back. > > 2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: > >> Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether >> the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for >> approval. >> >> >> 2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby <[email protected]>: >> >>> (Late reply, sorry.) >>> >>> While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't >>> think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation >>> of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the >>> community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough >>> for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the >>> individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole. >>> >>> 2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >>> >>>> Hoi, >>>> Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by >>>> several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? >>>> Thanks, >>>> GerardM >>>> >>>> On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I do think that the community will improve content as the time >>>>> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well. >>>>> >>>>> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine >>>>> translations. Such as >>>>> >>>>> <http://goog_1512637911> >>>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 >>>>> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% >>>>> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% >>>>> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97 >>>>> >>>>> Regards >>>>> Satdeep Gill >>>>> >>>>> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29> >>>>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> >>>>> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> >>>>> Member, Language Committee >>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> >>>>> >>>>> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 >>>>>> /Page_footer] >>>>>> See Here. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even >>>>>> localize the >>>>>> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being >>>>>> addressed >>>>>> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an >>>>>> example. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not >>>>>> sure that >>>>>> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other >>>>>> > Wikimedia projects. >>>>>> > >>>>>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash < >>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> > >>>>>> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I >>>>>> have >>>>>> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर >>>>>> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: >>>>>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari >>>>>> text >>>>>> >> > and >>>>>> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >>>>>> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial >>>>>> intelligence". His >>>>>> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) >>>>>> bears only >>>>>> >> > a >>>>>> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >>>>>> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is >>>>>> transcluded >>>>>> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >>>>>> >> > @Jayprakash12345 >>>>>> >> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/>'s >>>>>> >> userpage--maybe it >>>>>> >> > is his own email address? >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is >>>>>> indeed >>>>>> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the >>>>>> pages are >>>>>> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort >>>>>> to even >>>>>> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from >>>>>> seeing the >>>>>> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content >>>>>> revolving >>>>>> >> > around >>>>>> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 >>>>>> being the >>>>>> >> only >>>>>> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus >>>>>> agree >>>>>> >> with >>>>>> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My >>>>>> >> personal >>>>>> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and >>>>>> >> hiwikiquote) >>>>>> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, >>>>>> but I >>>>>> >> would >>>>>> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site >>>>>> requests >>>>>> >> > more >>>>>> >> > generally here. >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging >>>>>> from >>>>>> >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke >>>>>> d/Category: >>>>>> >> HI >>>>>> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been >>>>>> deleted and >>>>>> >> > 2) >>>>>> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >>>>>> >> > <[email protected] >>>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia >>>>>> .org/T168765#3376166): >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category >>>>>> has 84 >>>>>> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories >>>>>> which are >>>>>> >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>>>> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many >>>>>> of >>>>>> >> >> which >>>>>> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as >>>>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>>>> >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or >>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-20 >>>>>> 14/पेज_फ़ुट >>>>>> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove >>>>>> categories >>>>>> >> >> and >>>>>> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This >>>>>> includes >>>>>> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot >>>>>> /boot.s. >>>>>> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic >>>>>> templates >>>>>> >> >> and >>>>>> >> >> pages like >>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer >>>>>> . >>>>>> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one >>>>>> person >>>>>> >> >> could >>>>>> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live >>>>>> project? >>>>>> >> This >>>>>> >> >> seems like a misstep. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 >>>>>> pages in >>>>>> >> five >>>>>> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux >>>>>> code >>>>>> >> >> or >>>>>> >> >> one >>>>>> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe >>>>>> for >>>>>> >> >> disaster. >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> --JAK >>>>>> >> >> -- >>>>>> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into >>>>>> that hot >>>>>> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> >> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>>>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> >> >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> > -- >>>>>> >> > >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> >> Langcom mailing list >>>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>> >> >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > -- >>>>>> > Yours sincerely, >>>>>> > Mahir Morshed >>>>>> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >>>>>> > B.S. 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