Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other members plan to review the test-wiki content?
2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash <[email protected]>: > This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because > this taked already long time after creation of task. > > On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear Langcom Members, >> >> As of Hindi points of view the content which already >> have are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this >> type of information. We already made well written content like Principals >> of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much >> better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student >> after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure >> of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in >> english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free >> knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm >> it with third party. >> >> With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks >> >> On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Hoi, >>> People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about >>> it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a >>> project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English >>> Wikipedia ? >>> Thanks, >>> GerardM >>> >>> On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < >>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% >>>> 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for >>>> whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well. >>>> >>>> With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but >>>> well... the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, >>>> improved). >>>> Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval. >>>> >>>> 2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: >>>> >>>>> I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. >>>>> At first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I >>>>> noticed that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, >>>>> talk pages, and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number >>>>> was higher previously. >>>>> However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also >>>>> don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what >>>>> Wikiversity is for. >>>>> >>>>> Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi >>>>> Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back. >>>>> >>>>> 2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about >>>>>> whether the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is >>>>>> appropriate for approval. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby <[email protected]>: >>>>>> >>>>>>> (Late reply, sorry.) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I >>>>>>> don't think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the >>>>>>> creation of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on >>>>>>> whether >>>>>>> the community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy >>>>>>> enough for it to become a separate project, without consideration for >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen < >>>>>>> [email protected]>: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hoi, >>>>>>>> Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by >>>>>>>> several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? >>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>> GerardM >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I do think that the community will improve content as the time >>>>>>>>> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as >>>>>>>>> well. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain >>>>>>>>> machine translations. Such as >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <http://goog_1512637911> >>>>>>>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 >>>>>>>>> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% >>>>>>>>> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% >>>>>>>>> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> Satdeep Gill >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29> >>>>>>>>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> >>>>>>>>> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> >>>>>>>>> Member, Language Committee >>>>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014 >>>>>>>>>> /Page_footer] >>>>>>>>>> See Here. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even >>>>>>>>>> localize the >>>>>>>>>> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was >>>>>>>>>> being addressed >>>>>>>>>> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an >>>>>>>>>> example. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am >>>>>>>>>> not sure that >>>>>>>>>> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on >>>>>>>>>> other >>>>>>>>>> > Wikimedia projects. >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which >>>>>>>>>> I have >>>>>>>>>> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर >>>>>>>>>> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via >>>>>>>>>> Phabricator: >>>>>>>>>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern >>>>>>>>>> Devanagari text >>>>>>>>>> >> > and >>>>>>>>>> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >>>>>>>>>> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial >>>>>>>>>> intelligence". His >>>>>>>>>> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) >>>>>>>>>> bears only >>>>>>>>>> >> > a >>>>>>>>>> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >>>>>>>>>> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is >>>>>>>>>> transcluded >>>>>>>>>> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >>>>>>>>>> >> > @Jayprakash12345 >>>>>>>>>> >> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/>'s >>>>>>>>>> >> userpage--maybe it >>>>>>>>>> >> > is his own email address? >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is >>>>>>>>>> indeed >>>>>>>>>> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the >>>>>>>>>> pages are >>>>>>>>>> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of >>>>>>>>>> effort to even >>>>>>>>>> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from >>>>>>>>>> seeing the >>>>>>>>>> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content >>>>>>>>>> revolving >>>>>>>>>> >> > around >>>>>>>>>> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 >>>>>>>>>> being the >>>>>>>>>> >> only >>>>>>>>>> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must >>>>>>>>>> thus agree >>>>>>>>>> >> with >>>>>>>>>> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a >>>>>>>>>> disaster. My >>>>>>>>>> >> personal >>>>>>>>>> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource >>>>>>>>>> and >>>>>>>>>> >> hiwikiquote) >>>>>>>>>> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this >>>>>>>>>> point, but I >>>>>>>>>> >> would >>>>>>>>>> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site >>>>>>>>>> requests >>>>>>>>>> >> > more >>>>>>>>>> >> > generally here. >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears >>>>>>>>>> judging from >>>>>>>>>> >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke >>>>>>>>>> d/Category: >>>>>>>>>> >> HI >>>>>>>>>> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been >>>>>>>>>> deleted and >>>>>>>>>> >> > 2) >>>>>>>>>> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >>>>>>>>>> >> > <[email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >> >> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia >>>>>>>>>> .org/T168765#3376166): >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main >>>>>>>>>> category has 84 >>>>>>>>>> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have >>>>>>>>>> subcategories which are >>>>>>>>>> >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, >>>>>>>>>> many of >>>>>>>>>> >> >> which >>>>>>>>>> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as >>>>>>>>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >>>>>>>>>> >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free >>>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/w >>>>>>>>>> iki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-2014/पेज_फ़ुट >>>>>>>>>> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove >>>>>>>>>> categories >>>>>>>>>> >> >> and >>>>>>>>>> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. >>>>>>>>>> This includes >>>>>>>>>> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >>>>>>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/w >>>>>>>>>> iki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot/boot.s. >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic >>>>>>>>>> templates >>>>>>>>>> >> >> and >>>>>>>>>> >> >> pages like >>>>>>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/w >>>>>>>>>> iki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. >>>>>>>>>> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one >>>>>>>>>> person >>>>>>>>>> >> >> could >>>>>>>>>> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live >>>>>>>>>> project? >>>>>>>>>> >> This >>>>>>>>>> >> >> seems like a misstep. >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 >>>>>>>>>> pages in >>>>>>>>>> >> five >>>>>>>>>> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted >>>>>>>>>> Linux code >>>>>>>>>> >> >> or >>>>>>>>>> >> >> one >>>>>>>>>> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a >>>>>>>>>> recipe for >>>>>>>>>> >> >> disaster. >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> --JAK >>>>>>>>>> >> >> -- >>>>>>>>>> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling >>>>>>>>>> into that hot >>>>>>>>>> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?" >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >> >> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>>> >> >> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> > -- >>>>>>>>>> >> > >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> >> Langcom mailing list >>>>>>>>>> >> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/langcom >>>>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>>>> > Yours sincerely, >>>>>>>>>> > Mahir Morshed >>>>>>>>>> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign >>>>>>>>>> > B.S. 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