Hoi,
People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about it.
The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a project. Is
it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English Wikipedia ?
Thanks,
GerardM
On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote:
> StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in <
> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5%
> 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for
> whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well.
>
> With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well...
> the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved).
> Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval.
>
> 2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>:
>
>> I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At
>> first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed
>> that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages,
>> and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher
>> previously.
>> However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also
>> don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what
>> Wikiversity is for.
>>
>> Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi
>> Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back.
>>
>> 2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>:
>>
>>> Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether
>>> the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for
>>> approval.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby <[email protected]>:
>>>
>>>> (Late reply, sorry.)
>>>>
>>>> While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't
>>>> think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation
>>>> of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the
>>>> community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough
>>>> for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the
>>>> individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole.
>>>>
>>>> 2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>:
>>>>
>>>>> Hoi,
>>>>> Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by
>>>>> several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used?
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> GerardM
>>>>>
>>>>> On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I do think that the community will improve content as the time
>>>>>> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain
>>>>>> machine translations. Such as
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://goog_1512637911>
>>>>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8
>>>>>> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0%
>>>>>> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0%
>>>>>> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>> Satdeep Gill
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29>
>>>>>> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians>
>>>>>> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee>
>>>>>> Member, Language Committee
>>>>>> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014
>>>>>>> /Page_footer]
>>>>>>> See Here.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> > Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even
>>>>>>> localize the
>>>>>>> > comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being
>>>>>>> addressed
>>>>>>> > slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an
>>>>>>> example.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not
>>>>>>> sure that
>>>>>>> > there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other
>>>>>>> > Wikimedia projects.
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash <
>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर
>>>>>>> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट].
>>>>>>> >>
>>>>>>> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> > To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator:
>>>>>>> >> > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191):
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari
>>>>>>> text
>>>>>>> >> > and
>>>>>>> >> > the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to
>>>>>>> >> > "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial
>>>>>>> intelligence". His
>>>>>>> >> > second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...)
>>>>>>> bears only
>>>>>>> >> > a
>>>>>>> >> > link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer
>>>>>>> >> > Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is
>>>>>>> transcluded
>>>>>>> >> > elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to
>>>>>>> >> > @Jayprakash12345
>>>>>>> >> > <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/>'s
>>>>>>> >> userpage--maybe it
>>>>>>> >> > is his own email address?
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is
>>>>>>> indeed
>>>>>>> >> > inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the
>>>>>>> pages are
>>>>>>> >> > linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort
>>>>>>> to even
>>>>>>> >> > localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from
>>>>>>> seeing the
>>>>>>> >> > lack of something more substantial in the way of content
>>>>>>> revolving
>>>>>>> >> > around
>>>>>>> >> > those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345
>>>>>>> being the
>>>>>>> >> only
>>>>>>> >> > consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus
>>>>>>> agree
>>>>>>> >> with
>>>>>>> >> > his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster.
>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>> >> personal
>>>>>>> >> > opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and
>>>>>>> >> hiwikiquote)
>>>>>>> >> > could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point,
>>>>>>> but I
>>>>>>> >> would
>>>>>>> >> > digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site
>>>>>>> requests
>>>>>>> >> > more
>>>>>>> >> > generally here.
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging
>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>> >> > https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinke
>>>>>>> d/Category:
>>>>>>> >> HI
>>>>>>> >> > that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been
>>>>>>> deleted and
>>>>>>> >> > 2)
>>>>>>> >> > the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.)
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> > On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp
>>>>>>> >> > <[email protected]
>>>>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>>>>> >> >
>>>>>>> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia
>>>>>>> .org/T168765#3376166):
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category
>>>>>>> has 84
>>>>>>> >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories
>>>>>>> which are
>>>>>>> >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/
>>>>>>> >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content,
>>>>>>> many of
>>>>>>> >> >> which
>>>>>>> >> >> are just one or two lines, such as
>>>>>>> https://beta.wikiversity.org/
>>>>>>> >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-20
>>>>>>> 14/पेज_फ़ुट
>>>>>>> >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove
>>>>>>> categories
>>>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>>>> >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This
>>>>>>> includes
>>>>>>> >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as
>>>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot
>>>>>>> /boot.s.
>>>>>>> >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic
>>>>>>> templates
>>>>>>> >> >> and
>>>>>>> >> >> pages like
>>>>>>> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-foo
>>>>>>> ter.
>>>>>>> >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one
>>>>>>> person
>>>>>>> >> >> could
>>>>>>> >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live
>>>>>>> project?
>>>>>>> >> This
>>>>>>> >> >> seems like a misstep.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500
>>>>>>> pages in
>>>>>>> >> five
>>>>>>> >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted
>>>>>>> Linux code
>>>>>>> >> >> or
>>>>>>> >> >> one
>>>>>>> >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> >> >> disaster.
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> --JAK
>>>>>>> >> >> --
>>>>>>> >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into
>>>>>>> that hot
>>>>>>> >> >> eye. Who cares that he fell back to the sea?"
>>>>>>> >> >>
>>>>>>> >> >> Viva Western Sahara, viva West Papua
>>>>>>> >> >>
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>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>> > --
>>>>>>> > Yours sincerely,
>>>>>>> > Mahir Morshed
>>>>>>> > University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign
>>>>>>> > B.S. Computer Engineering, May 2019
>>>>>>> >
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