I have asked for the creation process to be continued on Phabricator. 2017-07-22 17:45 GMT+02:00 Satdeep Gill <[email protected]>:
> I have reviewed some content on the project. It is fair enough and I think > we can proceed with the creation of the project. > > Regards > Satdeep Gill > > Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29> > Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> > Treasurer, Affiliations Committee > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> > Member, Language Committee > <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> > > On 21 July 2017 at 07:46, Satdeep Gill <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I plan to review the content over the weekend and let us move forward >> with the task next week. >> >> Regards >> Satdeep Gill >> >> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Strategy/Wikimedia_movement/2017/Track_B#SGill_.28WMF.29> >> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Punjabi_Wikimedians> >> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Affiliations_Committee> >> Member, Language Committee >> <https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Language_committee> >> >> On 21-Jul-2017, at 7:03 AM, Michael Everson <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> This should move forward. >> >> On 20 Jul 2017, at 22:04, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> >> Indeed we should, this is already taking embarrasingly long. Do any other >> members plan to review the test-wiki content? >> >> >> 2017-07-20 3:58 GMT+02:00 Jay prakash <[email protected]>: >> >> This is my humble Request to langcom. We can hurry in Discussion. Because >> this taked already long time after creation of task. >> >> >> On 19-Jul-2017 4:20 pm, "Jay prakash" <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Dear Langcom Members, >> >> >> As of Hindi points of view the content which already >> have are very usefull. There are no site on internet which provide this >> type of information. We already made well written content like Principals >> of Management and Aerospace Engineering etc. Where the content is much >> better than English Wikiversity. Because where we describe whats do student >> after 10+2. You can verify it with third party source. The partialy failure >> of Eng Wikiversity is that because the many sites host learning content in >> english. But Hindi Wikiversity will be the only place where native get free >> knowledge in thier language. I am not say you believe me. You can confirm >> it with third party. >> >> >> With the respect of time. Hindi Wikiversity will be milestone. Thanks >> >> >> On 19-Jul-2017 10:20 am, "Gerard Meijssen" <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> Hoi, >> >> People want us to consider the deletion of projects... not happy about >> it. The consequence for me is that we also look at Wikiversity as a >> project. Is it viable, is it used. What experiences exist with English >> Wikipedia ? >> >> Thanks, >> >> GerardM >> >> >> On 19 July 2017 at 03:35, MF-Warburg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> StevenJ81 informed me that most of the pages are only in < >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Category:%E0%A4%B5%E0%A5% >> 88%E0%A4%95%E0%A4%B2%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%95_HI>, for >> whatever reason (>400). So I looked at them as well. >> >> >> With this "full picture", it looks much better. Not stellar, but well... >> the project is active and continues to be edited (and, I guess, improved). >> >> Now my opinion is that we should carry on with the approval. >> >> >> 2017-07-19 1:21 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: >> >> I have now looked through the Hindi pages on Beta.wikiversity myself. At >> first I just wanted to look at a random sample of pages, but then I noticed >> that there are only "69 pages (including categories, templates, talk pages, >> and redirects)" (cf. catanalysis). I don't know if this number was higher >> previously. >> >> However, that is IMHO way too little for a wiki to be approved. I also >> don't see any pages that look like courses, which after all, is what >> Wikiversity is for. >> >> >> Therefore I agree with the starting point of this thread, that Hindi >> Wikiversity should not be created, and the approval taken back. >> >> >> 2017-07-19 1:09 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg <[email protected]>: >> >> Yes, agreed. Though the question here is different, it is about whether >> the test-project as it currently is is in a state that is appropriate for >> approval. >> >> >> >> 2017-07-18 12:51 GMT+02:00 Jon Harald Søby <[email protected]>: >> >> (Late reply, sorry.) >> >> >> While I may have doubts about the merits of Wikiversity myself, I don't >> think it's within the scope of the Language Committee to deny the creation >> of projects based on those merits. We should only focus on whether the >> community for the relevant language edition of a project is healthy enough >> for it to become a separate project, without consideration for the >> individual committee members' feelings about the project as a whole. >> >> >> 2017-07-04 18:12 GMT+02:00 Gerard Meijssen <[email protected]>: >> >> Hoi, >> >> Yes, that is the politically correct answer. The question asked by >> several is what is Wikiversity good for. Is it actually used? >> >> Thanks, >> >> GerardM >> >> >> On 4 July 2017 at 18:06, Satdeep Gill <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> I do think that the community will improve content as the time >> progresses. The community has been working hard on translation as well. >> >> >> But I do see some pages which are not written well and contain machine >> translations. Such as >> >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/%E0%A4%90%E0%A4%B0%E0%A5%8 >> B%E0%A4%B8%E0%A5%8D%E0%A4%AA%E0%A5%87%E0%A4%B8_%E0%A4%87%E0% >> A4%82%E0%A4%9C%E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%A8%E0%A5%80%E0%A4%AF%E0%A4%B0% >> E0%A4%BF%E0%A4%82%E0%A4%97 >> >> >> Regards >> >> Satdeep Gill >> >> >> Strategy Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation >> >> Co-founder, Punjabi Wikimedians >> >> Treasurer, Affiliations Committee >> >> Member, Language Committee >> >> >> On 25 June 2017 at 01:08, Jay prakash <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> [https://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Computer_graphics/2013-2014/Page_footer] >> >> See Here. >> >> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Well, the part in [brackets] was "the lack of effort to even localize the >> >> comments in the code samples" and I did mention that it was being >> addressed >> >> slowly. My apologies for failing to provide a direct link to an example. >> >> >> I also now see that the email address is in fact yours. I am not sure that >> >> there is any precedent elsewhere for such byline templates on other >> >> Wikimedia projects. >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 2:19 PM, Jay prakash <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> You are showing it that you will not see all those links which I have >> >> cleaned like it [https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर >> >> ग्राफिक्स/2013-14/जीओजीएल-टेम्पलेट]. >> >> >> On 6/25/17, Mahir Morshed <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> To piggyback on what Justin is saying (and also via Phabricator: >> >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376191): >> >> >> I am not a Hindi speaker, but I can at least discern Devanagari text >> >> and >> >> the English loanwords in it. Justin's first link is to >> >> "Category:Intelligence" with subcategory "Artificial intelligence". His >> >> second link (Computer Programming/IDE/Visual Basic .NET/...) bears only >> >> a >> >> link to a Japanese online IDE. His third link (Computer >> >> Graphics/2013-2014/"Page Foot", a page footer which is transcluded >> >> elsewhere) has an email address prefixed with a link to >> >> @Jayprakash12345 >> >> <https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/p/Jayprakash12345/>'s >> >> userpage--maybe it >> >> is his own email address? >> >> >> The problems of most pages only consisting of source code is indeed >> >> inherited from the English Wikiversity courses to which the pages are >> >> linked. Nevertheless, from seeing at least [the lack of effort to even >> >> localize the comments in the code samples], and perhaps from seeing the >> >> lack of something more substantial in the way of content revolving >> >> around >> >> those code samples, and perhaps more so from Jayprakash12345 being the >> >> only >> >> consistent contributor going back at least a month, I must thus agree >> >> with >> >> his assessment that opening hiwikiversity would be a disaster. My >> >> personal >> >> opinion is that other Hindi projects (such as hiwikisource and >> >> hiwikiquote) >> >> could be populated more easily and meaningfully at this point, but I >> >> would >> >> digress to elaborate on that and the whole process of site requests >> >> more >> >> generally here. >> >> >> (Edits since the original comment was made: It appears judging from >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Special:RecentChangesLinked/Category: >> >> HI >> >> that 1) the subcategory "Artificial intelligence" has been deleted and >> >> 2) >> >> the part in [brackets] above is being addressed slowly.) >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 1:23 PM, Justin Anthony Knapp >> >> <[email protected] >> >> wrote: >> >> >> Via Phabricator (https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T168765#3376166): >> >> >> Is this really ready? I don't read Hindi but the main category has 84 >> >> subcategories and 25 are empty (many only have subcategories which are >> >> themselves empty, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> >> wiki/Category:इंटेलिजेंस) There are 578 pieces of content, many of >> >> which >> >> are just one or two lines, such as https://beta.wikiversity.org/ >> >> wiki/कंप्यूटर_प्रोग्रामिंग/IDE/विजुअल_बेसिक_.नेट/Online/Free or >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/कंप्यूटर_ग्राफिक्स/2013-2014/पेज_फ़ुट >> >> which is mostly someone's personal email address. Remove categories >> >> and >> >> erroneously-categorized userpages and that becomes 490. This includes >> >> almost 100 pages which are part of some Linux code such as >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/लिनक्स/linux-0.01.tar/boot/boot.s. >> >> Remove *those* and it's 401 which includes purely cosmetic templates >> >> and >> >> pages like >> >> https://beta.wikiversity.org/wiki/Portal:Engineering/box-footer. >> >> The actual amount of content seems like something that one person >> >> could >> >> make over a long weekend. How is this supposed to be a live project? >> >> This >> >> seems like a misstep. >> >> >> Creating a new project is a big responsibility and with 500 pages in >> >> five >> >> and a half years? And most of them are either copy-pasted Linux code >> >> or >> >> one >> >> line long? That is not a thriving community. This is a recipe for >> >> disaster. >> >> >> --JAK >> >> -- >> >> "[Icarus] glances up and is caught, wondrously tunneling into that hot >> >> eye. 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