well its not professional. I think we can agree on that? On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Ian Murray <[email protected]>wrote:
> That's the club's official policy on negotiating contracts Eric. Seriously. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On 10 Jun 2011, at 14:39, Eric B <[email protected]> wrote: > > agree with this: > > "Say the agent was at 11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a > deal to be done between 5-8k. Simply saying take our starting offer or fck > off is a ridiculous state of affairs" > > In business you never tell anyone to Fxxx off. The agent was probably just > positioning himself in a bracket he was going for. > > If batesy told the agent to Fxxx Off hes dafter than I thought.. Who will > want to do business with him? > > On Fri, Jun 10, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Ian Murray < <[email protected]> > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Noone said anything about 'caving in' to anyone's demands. Say the agent >> was at 11k, and we're at 4k. If you can negotiate there is a deal to be done >> between 5-8k. Simply saying take our starting offer or fck off is a >> ridiculous state of affairs. As for journeymen - both players have been with >> us for a number of years, improved and given good service in that time. I >> don't have their wikipedias open in front of me but I'll bet given their age >> they will have had fewer than 3 clubs. Do you know what journeymen means? >> >> I suggest you do likewise re turnover to wages and the rules. The clubs in >> our division have agreed to 'work towards' the introduction of new >> regulations by the beginning of 2012/13. At the moment, the turnover:wages >> ratio limit at LEAGUE 2 level is 60% reducing to 55% next year. Deloitte say >> 60% in football is sustainable. If your figures are right and we pay our >> players 11k a week (allowing for youth team and reserve players) we have at >> least 30% room for manoeuvre on an aspirational target for two divisions >> below us. This is why our good young players are walking for free. This is >> short termism - they walk for nowt. We have the option of either replacing >> them with better or equivalent players (which costs Market rate wages + >> transfer fee) or grabbing short term loans and hasbeens to plug the gap. Ken >> chooses the latter option which is why we will be relegated within the next >> 5 years without investment in the current squad and better players too. Mark >> my words. >> >> For the record I never said we should be paying Johnson and Kilkenny >> £11,000.00 a week. Obviously we should negotiate a deal which suits all >> parties. >> >> As for holding Coventry up as some shining example, I note that they >> posted a loss last year of £3,000,000.00. The only way a football club >> seriously makes money is through football. I'm glad you enjoyed your trade >> fair but you havent got a clue, have you? >> >> I >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On 9 Jun 2011, at 19:51, <[email protected]>[email protected] wrote: >> >> > >> >>> Problem: we make a lot more than just gate receipts. Tv money, >> > licensing, sponsorship. All that stuff. Where's all that money Terry?<< >> > >> > >> > TV money is nothing compared to prem TV money. Gate receipts are still >> the >> > biggest income outside the PL. >> > >> >>> We are going to replace decent young players who formed the core of >> the >> > team SG is trying to build and who have improved consistently as a >> group >> > over the last few seasons, with neverhasbeens and loanees. That is not >> how >> > you build a team to compete at the highest level.<< >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > But caving in to agents' demands and giving 300% pay rises to >> journeymen >> > is? >> > >> > I suggest you take a look at the Football League's rules regarding the >> > percentage of turnover that can be used to pay wages. And then look at >> LUFC's >> > recently posted annual results. >> > >> > It seems you've learned nothing from the Ridsdale debacle. >> > >> > >> >>> The club will never progress on the cheap - it's not possible. >> > Meanwhile season ticket prices rise inexorably to gargantuan levels and >> we all trot >> > along like sheep. Say what you want about the scousers - least they >> don't >> > put up with this sh!t.<< >> > >> > >> > They're in the premiership, with proper TV money, not the scraps you >> get >> > in the FL. >> > >> > >> >>> I'm am not arguing for spend spend spend,<< >> > >> > Yes you are. You clearly believe we should be paying Johnson and >> Kilkenny >> > £11,000 a week. That's £1.3m a year - out of a turnover of £27m. How >> many >> > players should be pay that sort of money to Ian? The first eleven? That >> > would take the wage bill up to more than £7m - you've already blown 25% >> of the >> > club's income. >> > >> > After seven seasons outside the top flight you've not learned to >> readjust >> > your horizons yet. £4k a week is a decent championship wage. £11k is >> better >> > than many premiership players earn. >> > >> > >> > >> >>> just sustainable investment in the team and not White elephant radio >> > stations, conference centres and beeston fine dining.<< >> > >> > >> > Banqueting, conferences and exhibitions are excellent earners for >> football >> > clubs. I went to a trade show at the Ricoh Arena the other week. An >> > excellent facility, well located and with ample car parking. It's >> exactly what we >> > should be doing, and brings in profitable revenue. >> > >> > You haven't got a clue, have you. >> > >> > M >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leedslist mailing list >> > Info and options: >> <http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> >> http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> > To unsubscribe, email <[email protected]> >> [email protected] >> > >> > MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Leedslist mailing list >> Info and options: >> <http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist> >> http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist >> To unsubscribe, email <[email protected]> >> [email protected] >> >> MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it) >> > > _______________________________________________ Leedslist mailing list Info and options: http://mailman-new.greennet.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/leedslist To unsubscribe, email [email protected] MARCHING ON TOGETHER (There's it)
